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1) 3-space + time (Heisenberg assumption) 2) 2-space + time (Mills assumption)
3) 2-space + 2-time (alternative QM time dimensional variable)

There is another view out there. A vort member has done a number of lectures on 
2-space +0 time. I did get in on part of one and it was very interesting how it 
explained QM in a simple 2-space view. Maybe they (he) will comment on this?

Are you referring to Max Tegmark's page, or Blaze Labs, or Frank Grimer or someone else?

As for Tegmark's ideas, this was posted to Vo last year (revised)


Executive summary: "I'll tell you yesterday" ...

Tegmark has an intriguing site on "dimensionality""

http://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/dimensions.html

"With more or less than one time-dimension, the partial differential equations of nature would lack the hyperbolicity property that enables observers to make predictions. In a space with more than three dimensions, there can be no traditional atoms and perhaps no stable structures. A space with less than three dimensions allows no gravitational force and may be too simple and barren to contain observers."

The interesting part of this look at extra dimensions - for many on this forum whose focus is renewable energy, may be relative to the implications for ZPE.

The zero point field could possibly be related to dimensionality via the mathematics applicable to the Dirac Sea, and one might surmise that it exists in "reciprocal space" but that space may have more than one time contstraint. Some might argue that the Dirac Sea is that yellow area on Tegmark's grid labeled "tachyons only"... which has our same three spatial dimensions, so it is everywhere we are, but also has extra time dimensions so we don't notice it in linear time. It is unpredictable to us. However, other observers have a different slant on an extra time dimension. For some it is as simple as "no" as in timeless.

For us to connect to that dimension, or at least to its interface with ours - we must approach that area appropriately labeled "unpredictable"... and after we figure out just what are the interfacial properties of an "extra time dimension" maybe we can find the same pathway again. In fact 'distance' and 'time' may be connected in a similar see-saw way that mass and energy are interchangeable - and it is in "smallness" where we find "extra" time. This is a correlate of the idea of "enfolded dimensions."

That word "unpredictable" does not imply 'unstable' or 'impossible' but may relate to how the discovery will be made. It is more like a "hit or miss" kind of linkage, but once found - then things can change for the better, unless the unpredictability is absolute and does not even respond to the identical initial pathway.

It could be like the Southern Europeans, prior to discovery of the New World. It was always here, despite what the Pope and all his Bishops said, but finding it was the problem (unless you were a Viking). The key for Southern Europeans was the serendipitous discovery of 'trade winds' and the 'Gulf Stream' - which were all but 'invisible' earlier.

Once modern investigators are able to find one workable linkage, now invisible to us, which gets us near the "extra" time dimensions where ZPE is hiding, then getting there could be "repeatable" in the exact original way, even if that was a chance discovery, and cannot be used to predict other similar routes. At least that is our only hope for using ZPE as a resource.

This would seem to involve a limited mastery of "time"; and mainstream physics has given us some hints of the dynamics of this in Quantum Mechanics, and in electromagnetism: "On the time reversal invariance of classical electromagnetic theory"

http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001406/01/Albert-TRI.pdf

which argues against "Time and Chance," by David Albert (2000) who believes that classical electromagnetic theory is not time reversal invariant. He acknowledges that all physics books say that it is, but claims they are "simply wrong" because they rely on an incorrect account of how the time reversal operator ... Fascinating.

This route through the shadow of hyper-time unpredictability is the reason that all such accounts of success in OU - overunity - even by uneducated or ignorant inventors, some being con-men, should be looked at carefully before dismissing those 'discoveries' as totally bogus. Throughout history, more than a few 'dubious reputations' have been salvaged by a major discovery which was totally a product of good fortune and perseverance.

The first person to tap into ZPE will likely do it by a serendipitous "hit or miss" kind of lucky break, or 'educated guess' and may be too sloppy a record-keeper to make it repeatable. But that does not mean that they didn't get a real clue- which can be followed by others - hopefully with more insight and understanding. Researchers have been trying to repeat or understand the serendipitous discovery of Hans Coler for over sixty years now; and some day - just maybe - that particular door to ZPE will reopen.

Jones

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