ATTN: H2Heads & Electro-Genies. Speaking of "potential difference" but in another context: i.e. electrolysis using the same polarity (-) from a battery back, specially wired...

Unfortunately the following complex situation involves a more sophisticated version of the old Newman battery-switching shtick.

You probably wrote that one off years ago. We all know by now that 'dead' batteries have a lot of "hidden" chemical energy, and that so-called 'shock-charging' will revive a dead battery - and "desulfurizaion" is important - and all of that stuff ...

Anyway, no flames please (pun intended). There may be more to this story than meets the eye... As far back as the Grove cell (well over 100 years) there were indications that certain cells can produce both electricity and hydrogen efficiently. The hydrogen was an just annoyance with the Grove cell, as it did often flame-up and ignite the Morse coders.

The real unanswered question is: can you get more the energy from a lead acid battery-swap-array, when paired with electrolysis - than is put in, when you consider both the current and the energy content of the hydrogen?

Every electrochemist, almost, will say NADA, absolutely not! But for others like John Aarons the real question is can you get 4 times more energy? Can you get ten times more?

If so, what is the source of that energy? Note: no one is saying now that you can, and this guy is very circumspect today. But when his battery switching system is paired with an electrolysis cell, there does appear to be an anomaly. He removed those videos earlier last week, in which he was suggesting an energy anomaly. Here is the battery-only part with three cells instead of four.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBmqrOZZ7Xc

About every 6 months or so (used to be yearly), the subject of high efficiency electrolysis keeps reappearing on Vo. Ah...Ultra high efficiency electrolysis - so close and yet so far away -- as it is involved tangentially in LENR/CF, and also in the Thermacore-type cell (hydrino). Anytime protons are involved, ZPE also comes into play, at least in the minds of some theorists.

Without high efficiency electrolysis, there probably can be no valid
"hydrogen economy" but with it, there can. There are always better uses
for storing or using electricity (the advanced battery)- than splitting
water, unless you can produce H2 at about double the normal Faradaic rate.

To that end, many interested parties follow every detail which is
published on the half dozen forums of interest - which is tough since
the great majority of posters there are inexperienced, not trained in electrochemistry and especially not decent communicators, or all of the above. Don't sell John Aarons short. He is older and more experienced than this video may indicate.

This may end up being nothing more than another minor stir on the fringe, and a dead-end - at best it is now a possible unproved anomaly which is worth mentioning since it could amount to something over the course of several months... or not.

I have followed all of Aaron's ~150 video postings, most of which were tediously boring, but do showed a certain tenacity and dedication to alternative energy which is unusual and focused. Anyway - of late he "may have" or may not have stumbled on somewhat of a breakthrough. But wait till September or October before making a judgment. He moves fast.

There is not yet enough detail for me to make an informed comment until it is duplicated. So your are being spared that much.

More later, but if anyone is interested, Harti has started a thread on his forum:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2985.10.html

Jones




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