Jones: Thank you for a very clear recap of the situation, and for the
clear statements with regard to the signal generator.
The confusion over whether the signal generator was turned on or turned
off was maddening. With your statements here, at last we have a stake
in the ground. (Whether it's a significant source of power is something
else again, and should, one presumes, be subject to measurement!)
Jones Beene wrote:
DDMasters wrote:
Maybe you should read his web pages, he does say no generator is used
in his
#7 free standing unit. It is in plain English.
In that video, no generator was used except for startup, but apparently
it was NOT turned off, so the objection from the assorted kibitzers was
that significant power from it was being coupled through the ground
connection.
Possible ? yes - it is likely that some remnant signal could be coupled
but not significant power IMHO. I think the signal is being coupled
through the open ended wires, rather than ground but anyway it is only
signal (no more than 50 milliwatts when the connection is direct and
much less otherwise) - not major a power source.
AFAIK he has not denied that he needs to leave the sig gen running in
the same room, so it is probably true that some kind of timing source is
required for extended operation.
The question then for the skeptics- is how can a milliwatt timing source
be boosted to watt level?
Unlike Horace, who apparently thinks this kind of coupling can supply
watt-level power (in the case of the 150 LEDs), Stiffler does not agree.
He has never said that he could dispense with both the ground and the
signal. AFAIK the circuit will loose resonance soon after a timing
method of some kind is lost. The ground can be supplying a timing signal
since the sig gen is still on, but not significant power. That is the
crux of the argument.
But the important thing for the future is being totally overlooked here-
that being: if there is a significant anomaly in lumens-out vs.
milliwatts-in - and that is the present indication --- then sooner or
later, he will close the loop with an efficient photocell.
It is useless to argue this further - and against the surprising level
of skepticism seen here - actions will speak much louder than words and
to say more until this loop-closing is accomplished is wasted effort...
... but IMO - folks who have languished here on Vortex for years hoping
for some glimmer of the "promised land" of ZPE coherence may be missing
the boat...
The situation with the possible cooling effect is also indicative of
this for me - but if you read Horace's post you will see a substantial
difference of opinion on the cooling.
Jones
