Honestly what are the odds that Ron has gone from real verified things to faking? (and for what reason, not money)
The real verified things are interesting enough, and has not this also been replicated several times now? I think that too many people are all too aggressively skeptical and it's bugging him. If you believe his anger is suspicious then please post what questions have made him angry so we can see if they are out of order. He has given tons of detail, seemingly enough to have a good chance at replicating so trickery seems highly doubtful. On 11/1/07, William Beaty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Oct 2007, DDMasters wrote: > > > I just don't get it. I look in on vortex every now and then and have for > > many years. I must say I have never seen such an uproar over anything > since > > the SMOT. Am I just shallow or does vortex need to be renamed to > something > > like ..Vortex Legal.. Might better explain the group. > > As I see it, Vortex members are not the source of this problem. > > I notice one common psychological effect going on here. > > Politicians and scammers avoid answering direct questions. To avoid > answering questions, a common scammers' tactic for is to burst out in > "anger," then to accuse the questioner of various nasty behavior, ...and > then of course don't answer their question. > > Since audiences tend to "assume good faith" on the part of everyone > involved, con artists take advantage of this. If a hoaxer exhibits fake > "anger," then the audience will assume that this anger is genuine, and > they'll also assume that the anger is explainable. > > For example... if you ask a perfectly benign question, the scammer will > explode in rage, and then the audience will accuse *you* of intentionally > insulting the scammer. The audience will never remember your question, > nor consider whether the question was a proper one, nor notice the lack of > an answer. > > Probably many vortex-L users have seen this trick in action? I'm > certainly "sensitized" to this sort of thing. I saw it employed > constantly in Newsgroup flamewars. > > Because I've observed hoaxers in action, whenever I see Ron get angry over > certain questions, and accuse the questioners of "making accusations" or > "insinuations," all my confidence in his honesty disappears. My "con > artist alert" bells ring. (I suspect that the same thing happens with > many other people here?) > > And then I start carefully analyzing ALL of Ron's statements, looking for > any weasel words or intentionally ambiguous language or distorted > definitions, or any other symptoms that his public behavior is a facade > which conceals dishonest intentions. Is he honest and up front, or is he > a slippery character who is impossible to pin down? Does he exhibit the > other main con-artist symptom: missing honesty? (In my experience, > hoaxers don't tell outright lies. Instead, you'll find no "forthright > honesty" in their behavior.) > > If I stop and think about why I do all of this, I see that it's because > Ron APPEARS to be using a hoaxer's tactic: angry outbursts to deflect > attention from inconvenient questions. It sets off all of my other "scam > detector" habits. > > Of course Ron could genuinely have a short fuse, and be genuinely angered > by people who doubt his expertise. Just look at which questions which > make him angry. Ask yourself this: SHOULD they make a person angry? > Would they make YOU angry, or is something funny going on? > > > > But honesty and hoaxers aside, I guess this is a lesson for anyone who > ever gets into Ron's position: if you're talking to a sophisticated > audience who has encountered con artists in the past, and you want to > keep them on your side, then don't act like a scammer. Don't even > APPEAR to be avoiding certain questions. And don't get angry! :) > > Or at least if you must get angry, *never* avoid answering the questions > that triggered your anger. > > > > (((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))) > William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website > billb at amasci com http://amasci.com > EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair > Seattle, WA 425-222-5066 unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci > >
