Rapid technological progress is a "perfect storm" of the brainy kind.
Harry

On 14/12/2007 12:40 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:

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> 
> Jeff Fink wrote:
>> Is it culture that allowed western Europe/America to develop such
>> incredible technology while all previous insipient techno societies such
>> as China and Egypt failed to mature technically?
> 
> I think this is a misleading question.
> 
> The sum total of human knowledge has increased -- erratically -- as an
> exponential.  The more we know, the easier it is to discover more, and
> the more we can pool our knowledge, the faster it happens.  The behavior
> of exponential growth leads directly to the illusion that there were
> enormous differences in the rate of technological progress between
> Europe and the rest of the world.  If we look at the full timeline of
> human history, on the other hand, and consider when other cultures might
> have arrived at a post-industrial society if Europe had not, it appears
> that the difference in "arrival time", as a fraction of the length of
> human history, would actually have been quite small.
> 
> The early part of an exponential looks "flat" -- if you just look at the
> curve locally, it's hard to tell anything's changing.  In the time of
> Jesus Christ, society surely _looked_ like a zero-sum game to the
> inhabitants, because the pace of change was so slow.  Ecclesiastes could
> write "there is nothing new under the sun", and people could take it as
> literally true with no need to hem and haw about how he meant it
> figuratively, or claim he was just talking about human behavior, or
> whatnot -- it appeared, 2500 years ago, that things were really
> completely static.
> 
> But they were not.  The sum of human knowledge was increasing, and at
> some point the slope of the exponential got steep enough that it was
> obvious that things were changing.  That happened first in western
> Europe -- but the difference in /years/ is actually very small between
> where Europe was on the curve versus, say, China, or even the Americas.
> 
> Figure human beings have been "absolutely human" for 100,000 years.  The
> rate of technological change has only been fast enough for individuals
> to easily see it happening during the last 600 years or so.  Europe may
> have been "ahead" of China by, say, a century, and ahead of the New
> World by a handful of centuries -- but on the scale of human history,
> that's the blink of an eye.  Someone had to get to the industrial
> revolution first; it happened to be Europe.  If Europe had stumbled, it
> would surely have happened anyway, and probably no more than a few
> hundred years later.  The difference in time to reach the threshold of
> advanced technology, given a time scale of 100,000 years, would most
> likely have been less than 1% if we had had to "wait" for some other
> continent to get there.
> 
> 
>> I tend to think that
>> freedom and the rise of a middle class are essential.  There must be
>> time and resources available to large groups of people in order to amass
>> great amounts of knowledge through experimentation.  I don¹t think any
>> previous civilizations had those ingredients.
> 
> Perhaps.  That's somewhat speculative.
> 
> What is not speculation is that no previous civilization had the same
> prior fund of amassed knowledge which was available in Europe at the
> dawn of the industrial revolution.
> 
> What is also not speculation is that if something had prevented Europe
> from taking the "next step", within another couple of centuries the
> amassed knowledge in Asia would have exceeded that which was available
> in Europe at the start of the revolution.  We can then guess that that,
> in turn, might very well have sparked an industrial revolution,
> regardless of the sclerotic nature of Oriental politics at the time.
> 
> Freedom in Europe sped things up.  Slavery in the new world sped things
> up, as well, by making southern plantations practical, and hence fueling
> England's foreign trade, which in turn funded industrialization at home.
> The connections here are complex and not generally known but appear to
> have been significant.  But the human knowledge base was increasing
> regardless of all that; it seems quite plausible that a scientific and
> industrial revolution was inevitable.
> 
> The political situation affected the timing, but was almost surely not
> the root cause.
> 
> 
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>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
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>> *From:* R.C.Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:38 PM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* [Vo]:OT: Culture and the evolving human
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>> 
>> Been reading this thread with interest at the views expressed. Anyone
>> care to expound on the impact of another component .... CULTURE.
>> 
>> What role does culture play in the grand scheme of things?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
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