Please provide an example how a nation with veto power on the security council might be tyrannised if it were to loose its veto.
Harry On 29/1/2008 8:43 AM, Jeff Fink wrote: > Since absolute power corrupts absolutely, a rule that seems to have no > exception, a fully empowered one world government will be the most frightful > entity ever encountered by the human race, and I sadly believe that most of > us under age sixty will live to see what I mean. Historically a person could > escape a tyrannical government by fleeing to another land. Where will we go > now? > > Jeff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry Veeder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:42 AM > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al Gore > > No veto as Robin said, > and more permanent members. > Harry > > On 28/1/2008 10:17 PM, Lawrence de Bivort wrote: > >> Interesting. How is it inadequate now? How do you think it should be >> reformed? >> >> Lawrence >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Harry Veeder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:31 PM >> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al > Gore >> >> The UN security council needs to be reformed for starters. >> >> Harry >> >> On 28/1/2008 6:06 PM, Lawrence de Bivort wrote: >> >>> Agreed, Jed. >>> >>> We are, as a species, entering an age of globalized systems, and I think >>> tackling them will require a new set of linguistic skills. The language > we >>> use in politics and policy today is still based on national models of >> human >>> organization -- one might almost say, tribal. My guess is that our >> language >>> has led us into the present pickle, and that only linguistic improvements >> -- >>> and radial ones at that -- will enable us to resolve the problems we have >>> created for ourselves. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Lawrence >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 5:53 PM >>> To: vortex-L@eskimo.com >>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared: Al >> Gore >>> >>> R.C.Macaulay wrote: >>> >>>> At some point in time it becomes necessary to recognize some >>>> problems have no solution tasks and simply turn your head in a >>>> stance of inevitiability. Al Gore has profited by profiling global >>>> warming and Bono the same with Africa but neither have a solution. >>>> >>>> Africa is imploding in on itself, with any attempt to help being >>>> frustrated. Climate changes occur but any attempt to modify climate >>>> is futile. All the feeding of guilt will not solve insoluable problems. >>> >>> As I expect everyone here knows, telling me things like that are like >>> waving red meat at a hungry lion. Frankly, such attitudes are >>> anathema to the spirit of science, technology, and America -- three >>> things I hold dear. Of course I acknowledge that people are capable >>> of screwing things up. Of course I know that we might destroy >>> ourselves and the ecology. Heck, we may destroy the world in an hour >>> with thermonuclear bombs. And it goes without saying that there are >>> some potential natural disasters we cannot cope with no matter what, >>> such as the Sun going nova, and there may be irredeemable man-made >>> disasters such as CO2 released from permafrost -- but there isn't >>> yet, as far as I know. >>> >>> As things now stand, global warming and especially the situation in >>> Africa are entirely our fault, and our problem, and I am certain -- >>> beyond any doubt -- that we have the power to fix these problems. As >>> John F. Kennedy said: >>> >>> "Our problems are manmade - therefore, they can be solved by man. And >>> man can be as big as he wants. No problem of human destiny is beyond >>> human beings. Man's reason and spirit have often solved the seemingly >>> unsolvable - and we believe they can do it again." >>> >>> Anyone who doubts that is betting against the tide of history. You >>> are betting against human resilience which has survived incredible >>> trials for millions of years as we came through "the evolutionary >>> furnace" as Florman called it. And you are forgetting that we have >>> transformed the whole face of the earth and we can do it again, and >>> again; we have untold energy at our fingertips; the bounty of the >>> whole solar system just outside our reach; and we are surrounded with >>> everyday technology that people even 150 years ago would have found >>> "indistinguishable from magic." How can anyone doubt that we have the >>> power to forestall global warming, or bring properity to the millions >>> of people in Africa?!? Strictly in terms of material resources and >>> physical energy, we could easily create as much wealth for all 6 >>> billion people as only a first-world millionaire enjoys today. The >>> only thing stopping us from doing this is widespread ignorance and >>> the will to act. >>> >>> Are there food shortages? We could grow enough food for everyone on >>> earth in an area the size of Atlanta. Is there not enough meat? In >>> the last few years, my friends at NewHarvest.com have brought the >>> cost of cultivated meat (meat grown in vitro) down from $100,000 to a >>> few thousand dollars per kilogram. It is just a matter of time before >>> meat will be as cheap as tofu, and as clean and easy to make. Do >>> people in Africa lack capital? Look at what the Grameen Bank has >>> accomplished. >>> >>> No technically educated person should claim these problems cannot be >>> solved! There are only two difficulties: 1. Deciding which of the >>> many solutions is most likely to work, at the lowest cost. 2. Pushing >>> aside the ignorant naysayers and greedy fools who say we can't solve >>> the problems and we should just give up. >>> >>> Here is what we must believe and act upon, right up until the last >>> member of our species goes extinct. In October 1941, after 10 months >>> of war, Winston Churchill said: >>> >>> ". . . surely from this period of ten months this is the lesson: >>> never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never -- in >>> nothing, great or small, large or petty -- never give in except to >>> convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never >>> yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy." >>> >>> Regarding our special predicament: I don't care if Albert Gore and >>> 100 million scientists world-wide refuse to look at cold fusion, or >>> ridicule it, or promote crazy ideas such as ethanol instead. I don't >>> care about the "apparently overwhelming might" of Nature or the DoE. >>> If we try hard enough, and we are lucky, we WILL push this vast crowd >>> of idiots aside. It isn't a sure thing. But I am not finished yet, >>> and frankly I wouldn't recommend you bet against me. >>> >>> - Jed >>> >> > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.15/1248 - Release Date: 1/28/2008 > 9:32 PM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.15/1248 - Release Date: 1/28/2008 > 9:32 PM > >
