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From: Terry Blanton 


> Lithium battery charge efficiency is quite poor above 90 deg F.  And where 
> are we gonna charge our Volts? Maybe not in the hot garage in Phoenix.

Speaking of hot batteries, Terry ... you may have seen this older story:

http://pepei.pennnet.com/display_article/155624/6/ARCHI/none/PRODJ/1/AEP-dedicates-first-US-use-of-stationary-sodium-sulfur-battery/

... matter of fact - in looking in the archives - we mentioned it here last 
year:

http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg22390.html

The industrial-scale battery uses sodium metal instead of lithium. This could 
be telling us something about possible missed opportunities. The big problem - 
the battery only works when it is rather hot - like 500F and up - which is no 
problem for industrial sites.

http://www.electricitystorage.org/tech/technologies_technologies_nas.htm

However, if the PHEV car owner is willing to charge up his vehicle every night 
anyway at off-peak rates where it is easy to keep the battery hot ; and given 
that we have this great insulation material called frozen-smoke (aerogel)  ... 
which should present the situation where  heat loss can be minimized -- And 
given Ford was once a big player in this tech ... then why isn't this even 
being considered as viable - or is it?

Jones

Here is an 11 year old Canadian abstract - and it makes you wonder about the 
"seven companies" not to mention China and India - so - possibly this battery 
will not be a missed opportunity after all... just missed by the big-3.

D. Sodium-Sulphur Batteries

The Ford Motor Company used a sodium-sulphur (NaS) battery in its 1992 Ecostar 
because it offered three to four times the energy density of lead-acid 
batteries; in other words, a physically smaller battery could provide the same 
power. The NaS battery also has a range of about 241 km, roughly twice that of 
an EV powered with lead-acid batteries.

This technology, however, has not received widespread acceptance for a number 
of reasons. For one, it is not considered "user friendly." Because one of the 
electrodes is made of molten sulphur, the battery must be kept at a temperature 
of 300 to 350ÂșC. To keep the sulphur, and the sodium, from solidifying, the 
batteries have built-in heaters. As a result of these stringent operating 
requirements, NaS batteries currently cost seven times as much as lead-acid 
batteries.

In addition, safety concerns were raised when two Ford test vehicles caught 
fire while using NaS batteries. This technology is not likely to emerge as an 
early leader in the race to find the best battery for electric vehicles. 
Companies in at least seven countries believe that it offers great potential, 
however, since it uses relatively cheap, abundant materials. These companies 
are all working to build on the advantages of the technology, while ridding it 
of its more troublesome problems.      


**As with any of these new battery technologies, mass production could quickly 
reduce costs.**

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