And how did this get started?

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

http://snipurl.com/40xsd  [query_nytimes_com]

Anyone know what Franklin Raines is up to these days?

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Terry


On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Jed Rothwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is kind of off-topic but also on topic.
>
> Here is a broadcast and transcript from the radio program "This American
> Life." It explains the subprime mortgage fiasco more clearly than I have
> seen elsewhere:
>
> http://www.thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=355
>
> This resembles the "Bird and Fortune - Subprime Crisis" video
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzJmTCYmo9g) except that the interviews are
> real.
>
> Below is a fascinating segment of the transcript that illustrates 'the will
> to deceive oneself.' Bankers and loan officers deliberately set up
> procedures that to hide the truth from themselves. The procedures to check
> people's credit worthiness became more and more far-fetched and removed from
> reality. We see the same trends in arguments against cold fusion, as Mike
> Melich described:
>
> "I see no value in anymore 'panels' of experts looking at this subject. The
> choice of the "Terms of Reference" and the choice of the  panelist is likely
> to be in the hands of the Garwin's/Jasons and the  ERAB/Bard groups who have
> thoroughly enjoyed seeing how successful  they manage to avoid answering
> technical questions seriously or doing  any homework that informs them or
> facing the possibility that they may
> have made an error."
>
> Here is the segment from the radio show transcript:
>
> . . . And so Mike [Garner] noticed that every month, the [credit check]
> guidelines were getting a little looser. Something called a stated income,
> verified asset loan came out, which meant you didn't have to provide
> paycheck stubs and w-2 forms, as they had in the past. You could simply
> state your income, as long as you showed that you had money in the bank.
>
> Mike Garner: The next guideline lower is just stated income, stated assets.
> Then you state what you make and state what's in your bank account. They
> call and make sure you work where you say you work. Then an accountant has
> to say for your field it is possible to make what you said you make. But
> they don't say what you make, just say it's possible that they could make
> that.
>
> Alex Blumberg: It's just so funny that instead of just asking people to
> prove what they make there's this theater in place of you have to find an
> accountant sitting right in front of me who could very easily provide a W2,
> but we're not asking for a W2 form, but we do want this accountant to say
> yeah, what they're saying is plausible in some universe.
>
> Mike Garner: Yeah, and loan officers would have an accountant they could
> call up and say "Can you write a statement saying a truck driver can make
> this much money?" Then the next one, came along, and it was no income,
> verified assets. So you don't have to tell the people what you do for a
> living. You don't have to tell the people what you do for work. All you have
> to do is state you have a certain amount of money in your bank account. And
> then, the next one, is just no income, no asset. You don't have to state
> anything. Just have to have a credit score and a pulse.
>
> Alex Blumberg: Actually that pulse thing. Also optional. Like the case in
> Ohio where 23 dead people were approved for mortgages. . . .
>
> - Jed
>
>

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