The concept of market saturation should apply as much to the 
demand for oil as it does for any other product in demand.


Harry


----- Original Message -----
From: Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008 12:07 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Beyond Hubbert: Peak-Oil Update

> There are a number of free-market reasons behind the recent drop in 
> oil to a four year low: one is slightly lower demand - but demand 
> is still way too high for this kind of drop with normal market 
> dynamics. 
> 
> Demand is off maybe 5% year-to-year while the price is down to $40+ 
> from $140+ per barrel. Actual demand was greater 4 years ago than 
> today, yet the price is the same while output is not off at all. Go 
> figure! or read on.
> 
> [BTW: One barrel (bbl) is equivalent to 42 US gallons or 117 
> liters. The common word 'barrel' aka "drum" which is used in 
> industry here, is a different measure and actually holds 55 gallons.]
> 
> The second free-market force is that the supply of oil, which can 
> be effectively controlled by an illegal Cartel, has not changed 
> very much - because of Arabia and Kuwait. Their politics and other 
> strategies are well thought-out and go beyond market forces. You 
> have to admire the insight and sophistication of their greed. They 
> should call it Gekko-land.
> 
> The two big Arab swing producers would need to cut production far 
> more than normal, and do it alone, to maintain a higher price - and 
> they could easily do so - but are choosing not to for now. And they 
> also are (probably) using this lack of action on supply front to 
> impress a new US administration, and to ultimately influence 
> Obama's future policy for their region (quick removal of our 
> troops). 
> 
> These rich and savvy people realize that the PAC money which has 
> flowed from oil interests to the 'other party' in the past 8 years 
> is of no influence now, and that the first 100 days of the new 
> administration is of highest importance - and will be when the most 
> dramatic new legislation can come in easily - and they do not want 
> to see that legislation be negative to OPEC, or even mention them 
> by name.
> 
> Another market reason for the price drop is that non-OPEC  members 
> in the over-populated third world still keep finding more oil, and 
> they can ill-afford to cut output, due to debt and poverty at home. 
> 
> A fifth but minor reason is that coal-to-oil technology is 
> contributing more than ever to supplies (in a few regions with lots 
> of coal like South Africa). However, coal prices have risen like 
> oil, but have not fallen as fast in recent months.
> 
> Here is a decent article - and refinement of the expected date for 
> Peak-Oil:
> 
> http://seekingalpha.com/article/106191-peak-oil-s-bell-is-ringing
> 
> 
> A few further points to consider:
> 
> Coincidentally, the best estimate for exact date of the Hubbert 
> peak looks pretty close to December 2012 <g>
> 
> The sixth and most important factor in oil pricing, but not a 
> direct implication of the article above - is that the recent 
> downturn in OPEC-permitted pricing was carefully *planned* to some 
> extent, due to the miraculous trend in biofuels, and due to a 
> strategy to influence that next year. This factor might override 
> all the others in importance.
> 
> IOW the present drop was planned (but may have gotten out of hand) 
> to counteract the monster boost in biofuel production which 
> followed the 2008 record grain harvest in the USA, and the  massive 
> amount of new money put into conversion plants here. That really 
> means that this drop is (partly) artificial, which has some degree 
> of real market influence as well - but accelerated for a specific 
> anti-competitive purpose. With plausible deniability, of course.
> 
> The 2008 harvest numbers are still not firm, as there was a lot of 
> late grain crops planted, which are easier to harvest when the 
> fields freeze, so they are still coming in at a record pace and 
> this will be ongoing all the way up to new year's day, before the 
> final tally is known. But even the low range of numbers is 
> incredible. The American farmer is prospering like never before in 
> our history and without this we would be in one hell of an economic 
> fix. 
> 
> The Oil-Cartel strategy is that keeping the oil price down this 
> winter will influence the 2009 planting season - since the price of 
> biofuel will determine the profit potential of the crops (mainly 
> corn) to the American farmer; or stated another way, the price of 
> the grain crops is dependent to some extent on the pump price of 
> petroleum. Most crops are presold, and the present price declines 
> in corn futures for instance, are reflected directly in planning 
> for next  year's plantings - since the options price is off 
> significantly.
> Bet you have not seen this suggestion in print, however, although 
> the rumors are circulating ... But it stands to reason that if the 
> *perception* is that low oil price will be off for several years, 
> then that will seem too low for the farmer to profit in 2009, as 
> they have in 2008. Ergo less acreage will be planted and some of 
> the ethanol processors will go belly up as well. And the massive 
> investment into biofuel processing and R&D will die out. That is 
> the hope of OPEC, and it is not unrealistic. They have done this 
> once before.
> 
> The desired effect is to put many of the higher cost producers out 
> of business immediately - even if there is a large 2009 planting. 
> OPEC did this before in the early seventies with a burgeoning 
> biofuel industry. It worked then but prices were kept low for a 
> long time - as we were not close to Hubbert's Peak back then, as we 
> are now.
> 
> The domestic biodiesel industry is actually approaching partial 
> collapse now since costs there (soybeans and canola) are higher and 
> subsidies are less. It has more than 2 billion gallons of installed 
> production capacity from more than 170 plants in 40 states. They 
> need to get nearly $2 gallon to expand this further in 2009, and 
> that price is no longer available to them at a very critical time 
> unless new legislation *demands* that this price be paid by the 
> blenders - and that is under consideration. The domestic ethanol 
> industry numbers is 5-6 time larger than biodiesel and can function 
> at a much lower price per gallon. 
> 
> From 2006 to 2007, ethanol production increased approximately 33 
> percent, from 4.9 billion  gallons to 6.5 billion gallons. That 
> increase comes on the heels of a 26 percent increase 8 between 2005 
> and 2006. The month to month numbers for 2008 have been 40-50% 
> higher than 2007 and the annualized rate of production is now 
> believed to be able to reach the "magic" one billion gallons per 
> month level early next year! That is a closely watched number as it 
> represents ten percent of usage. 2008 production will be less than 
> 11 billion gallons, but current production is .9 billiongallons per 
> month, that is indisputable. 2009 production will be higher than 11 
> billion (unless the OPEC strategy is successful - because of new 
> facilities coming online (if enough grain is available). Those 
> kinds of increases are unheard-of in  modern ag-business. 
> 
> For comparison US consumption of motor fuel is peaked in 2006 at 
> about 400 million gallons per day - 12 billion per month (which 
> includes blended fuels) and has dropped about 8% in the two years 
> since then. When you deduct the ethanol and biofuel contribution at 
> present rates (year end 2008) then that ratio of fossil to biofuel 
> in the blend is now about 11:1. Back in 2005, "experts" were say it 
> would take 10 years to reach the level of 10% contribution, but we 
> are 'almost there' now after only 3 years - due to the massive 
> shifts in priorities. 
> 
> This is the root cause of the present drop in oil prices IMHO and 
> normal market forces are secondary. 
> 
> With both biodiesel and bioethanol, capacity can be pushed higher 
> than the officially listed amount fairly easily - if the pump price 
> is right and the feed stock (grain + biomass in the future) is 
> fairly priced, since much of the limitation is in intermediate 
> storage facilities. It is risky for an outsider like OPEC to try to 
> manipulate this because they could end up boosting production if 
> they do not get everything right. The American farmer is well known 
> to take risks that seem unwise in terms of planting more than they 
> should.
> The bioethanol industry is much larger than biodiesel and the 
> output is more often pre-sold via options to blenders (not always 
> to big-oil) and this can make getting real numbers harder - but it 
> will be huge - much more than OPEC thought it would be. This is a 
> major reason that the Cartel and US big-oil allies, are in no hurry 
> to lower petroleum production now, to raise prices - since they 
> want the "perception" of low expected pump prices well into 2009... 
> plus biodiesel plants which did not presell output (through 
> futures) are in trouble, and a few are going under already. Moral - 
> "don't get greedy when times are good" and lock-in those profits. 
> "Buffet (the new Simon) sez" that rich investors are always the 
> ones who "sell too soon".
> 
> One goal of the present low price, then, is to influence and to 
> forestall another massive spring planting of crops in the USA - 
> which this coming year will make far greater use of formerly 
> unproductive biomass, such as corn stovers and hay. This is due to 
> new technology. OPEC is very interested in how this new factor of 
> lower-priced feedstock will translate into production. They will 
> not make major supply moves in oil until this factor is known.
> 
> When Saudi Arabia buys a supercomputer - and they own the sixth 
> most powerful in the world - it is not for military use, but 
> strictly for economic use for their large cadre of hired guns: 
> economists from MBA programs in the USA. This computing power is 
> used primarily for figuring out the supply and demand dynamics in 
> every market - so as to extract the best possible pricing strategy 
> and to weigh the repercussions of what they plan in advance.
> 
> The Arabs now are both smart and fortunate (as is the USA) and we 
> should not look at the present low price of gasoline as any kind of 
> blessing. IMHO, it is part of a well-thought-out plan.
> 
> Jones
> 

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