I should have stood up for Grok, because his comments 
(at least the ones I read) were accurate, but I was 
busy at the time.  Grok, I'm sorry I let you down.  
Folks, see my website for evidence that supports 
Grok's political/economic analysis:

   http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/

I think he (and everyone else) should be allowed 
unrestricted posting to the VoB list (except for 
commercial spam, of course).  If we've all been 
subscribed to it all along, then no one has been 
using it except very recently, so it may as well be 
used freely for so-called "off topic" messages.  
Actually, unless people develop a lot more awareness 
of what's going on politically and economically, 
and join the struggle against the very greedy and
evil ones that control our world, we're all in for 
a very bad time.  So Grok's messages really aren't 
"off topic", but if some people don't want to see 
them, then his posting them to the B list seems 
like an excellent solution, because those who 
don't want to see them can unsubscribe from it.

Bill, please reinstate Grok under the sole condition
that he post non-scientific messages only to the 
B list.

As to requiring him to reveal his identity, as Harry 
says, that's unfair unless it's demanded of everyone.  
As for apologizing... that's too close to the way 
the Catholic Church treated Galileo, demanding that 
he recant.

Grok, I'm putting you on my personal mailing list.
If you have one, please put me on it.

  Mark

On Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 11:27:41PM -0400, Harry Veeder wrote:
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: William Beaty <[email protected]>
>Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009 10:30 pm
>Subject: Re: [Vo]:grok is removed temporarily
>
>> On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, William Beaty wrote:
>> 
>> > To resubscribe, I require that he apologize for his off-topic 
>> postings,> reveal his identity, and promise to eliminate all 
>> political commentary.
>> 
>> Grok said no thanks, to the above.
>
>I am not sure why he should apologize for his off-topic postings,
>since the occasional off topic postings are permitted as long they
>include the label 'Off-Topic' or 'OT' in the header.
>
>If you expect him to reveal his true identity then that should be
>written in the rules.
>
>If the political commentary incorporates *personal* insults, instead of
>responding in kind or challenging the commentary, the insult should
>first be pointed out to the moderator.
>Harry 

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