Posting politics during the politics ban, same offense as grok
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009, Mark S Bilk wrote: > On Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 11:48:07PM -0700, Mark Iverson wrote: > >Grok is a coward. > >If he really believed what he was preaching, then he wouldn't be afraid to > >use his real name. > > The U.S. government has said that people who deny the > government story about 9/11, or who want the government > to obey the Constitution, or who oppose the war against > Iraq, etc., are to be suspected as terrorists allied with > Al-Qaeda. U.S. government legislation and executive > orders provide that suspected terrorists can be arrested, > denied the legal rights provided in the Constitution, > tortured, and killed. > > So anyone who speaks out against U.S. government policies > is well justified in doing so anonymously. In this case > anonymity does _not_ mean > > >>"probably criminal element" ..."teenager," or "newbie user." > > Furthermore, Grok has _not_ > > >>[drawn] complaints from the entire community > > >I think most everyone I'm aware of on this list has apologized at one time > >or another... It's what a > >person with integrity does when they realize their mistake or transgression. > > The fact that grok is > >incapable of such behavior (all he knows is arrogance and condescension), > >shows his true self; one > >lacking humility, reflection, self-awareness consciousness... Asking for an > >apology and real name > >are justified in this instance. > >He will, or already has, tried to blame others for his situation; he needs > >to point the finger in > >his direction. I doubt if he is even capable of that... Personal > >responsibility is something he > >hasn't shown either. > > That's an ad hominem attack made without supporting evidence. > > Mark S Bilk > http://www.cosmicpenguin.com > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: William Beaty [mailto:[email protected]] > >Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 10:54 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [Vo]:grok is removed temporarily > > > >On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Harry Veeder wrote: > > > >> > Grok said no thanks, to the above. > >> I am not sure why he should apologize for his off-topic postings, > > > >Political posting sent here, rather than to vtxB. > > > >> If you expect him to reveal his true identity then that should be > >> written in the rules. > > > >Nope. If any user misbehaves so badly that they draw complaints from the > >entire community, then > >I'll fix the problem, which includes crafting arbitrary and mysterious > >requirements on a whim. > > > >As with any professional community, people with real names are welcome, and > >people who hide their > >identities have marked themselves as "probably criminal element" in the eyes > >of the group > >...although on internet, anonymity also means "teenager," or "newbie user." > >(Which of the three is > >worse?) To impress fellow professionals, always put your address and phone > >number in your sig. > >This is an unwritten societal rule which applies to the entire world, not > >just online or on vortex: > >try walking around downtown wearing a mask, see what happens. > > > >Perhaps vortex should require surrendering anonymity, but it's much work to > >do it right (to avoid > >fake identities.) > > > >> If the political commentary incorporates *personal* insults, instead > >> of > > > >There is very specifically no rule against insults on Vortex-L. However, > >people who habitually use > >personal insults will attract complaints from the entire community, and > >then... (see above.) > (((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818 unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
