First there is a note regarding a piece of evidence presented. ------------------------- The basis of this was written almost a year ago. Your (Bill's) objection to Stiffler was just made known to me this morning.
This does touch on a device which Stiffler did have some involvement with as one of the members of ATGroup however he was not the only one, that this device does do something anomalous and can display similar effects to that claimed is I don't believe genuinely in question. This device was well replicated at the time. The device in question has had multiple names but the one I recall best is TMB standing for "Thermal Magnetic Battery". it consists of a ceramic magnet, a dielectric and plastic film with metal plates. Again no matter what you may think of the man it would be implausible I believe to assume this device did not work. With that covered let's proceed. --------------------------------- Soft Electrons The key effect, Hiddink, Gray, Pavel, the JLN Patent, probably Baumann and Now Stiffer have taken advantage of is related to a negatively charged particle which I will argue is an electron in a peculiar state, it may be that other types of particles can be in this state. In all of these devices a capacitor is charged, and one, seemingly the negatively plate is discharged by emission of electrons in an effect discovered by Tesla and noted by many who have worked with Tesla Coils and the like, it is Termed Radiant Energy, the other plate of the capacitor remains charged but now to a much higher potential, the emitted electrons can be collected on distant isolated metal surfaces and as shown in the case of the Hiddink experiment this radiation can kill semiconductors in the immediate area if the pulse is too strong. (also reported by Gray tube replications) The positive plate of the capacitor should preferably have holes to avoid collection of this electron emission which will lower it's remaining charge, This can be seen clearly in Baumann and Gray devices, Gray actually used wire with far more hole that metal. The propulsive effect that causes the emission is apparently aetheric in nature however that is beyond the scope of this post. (It is possible however that the force is electrostatic in nature and the aetheric component is related to putting the charges in this curious state) I do have other evidence not presented here that strengthens the case for an aetheric impulse coming from disruptive discharges but that would be going a bit too far off course and is not required to appreciate this current argument. The curious thing however, is that if there were really enough electrons flying around to kill these electronics, charge these plates and generate so much power the experimenters would be quite dead quite fast, this is not normal beta radiation. This mystery seems solved by the fact that such current also acts in an unusual manner in wires, this 'cold current' can flow through insulators at low voltages, and yet does not cause electric shocks as demonstrated by Edwin Gray. It may also cause or contribute to semiconductors and coils becoming cooler than the ambient temperature. Tesla in US patent 685,958 describes how an insulated copper plate can absorb such energetic charges from the environment (seemingly from the sun) or from any electrical device able to create such radiation, the collection may be feeble but he describes that these charges at rather low voltages can break through insulation and so recommends high quality capacitors be used. This can not be readily explained by the effects of microwaves due to the insulation, the fact that the sun can cause this charge to accumulate and the fact that this charge is unusually energetic at low voltages. Just read the patent. I have been told he describes these charges as having a lower mass than electrons, but I think that most likely these are electrons, all be it electrons in a different state. William Barbat in US patent Application #2007/0007844 describes (possibly theoretical) 'low mass' electrons being generated by a copper oxide (copper readily oxidizes in air and quickly at high heats as would have been the case for Tesla's Sheets) coating being struck by light, this is interesting as Tesla's copper plates would have very likely oxidized before being coated, Barbat's theory of this enhancing loose coupling transformer operation may also be true but what I have read of his theory of why is nonsense unless these electrons produce a diminished magnetic field and with it less self inductance. These low mass electrons are also found by mainstream physicists sometimes, in carbon, a material which as I will cover seems ideal for generating these cold electrons, see: http://www.intalek.com/Index/News/PhysicsWeb%20-%20Electrons%20lose%20their%20mass%20in%20carbon%20sheets.htm ATGroup found these cold electrons in the TMB or Thermal Magnetic Battery. (I think I can dig up the web page of the TMB for any interested) Despite the extreme low voltage a cold blue are was noted, here is a quote: "Cold Blue Arc. When a load is connected or disconnected to a TMB cell an arc can bee seen of approximately 1/16" in length. This arc is light blue in color and not something typically seen in normal electronic circuits. The arc is wide compared to its length and is quite broad in size when initially appearing. This is extraordinary since the voltage output of a TMB is somewhere from 50-300mv, very very low voltages to be producing an arc of about 1.5mm when the normal requirement would be 1,500v to breach a 1.5mm gap, a voltage 5000 times high than found from even 2 TMB's in series. BTW even if one did not accept this cold blue arc the TMB achieves conduction through cardboard or balsa wood and some plastic wrap which is it's self a bit extraordinary, if a TMB ever produced any current then this extraordinary fact can be considered reasonable confirmed. Also note the arc is again 'cold' suggesting that these electrons didn't transfer much kinetic energy either due to their lower mass or like the electrons in a superconductor they tend to avoid interaction. This avoiding interaction would appear to possibly be a form of enhanced tunneling, the aether does seem to be the medium in which quantum events play out but by manipulating the aether it seems possible that quantum mechanical events may be enhanced. It is worth noting that 'Ormus' or 'M-State' elements which are monatomic elements have been found to tunnel out of containers, it seems that even atoms can gain a similar energetic and low mass state or tunnelling state. Carbon spark gaps/arcs have been noted to run cold and produce excess energy by a number of experimenters (Among them Frolov and Sonne Ward but it has been noted by many others), it is interesting that Edwin used carbon rods, while it seems that he used them in part to create a voltage difference required for the capacitive effect as apparent from the McKay document noted earlier in this thread it seems likely that Carbon (Graphite) is effective at producing these low mass electrons. René-Louis Vallée has a theory where Carbon is transmuted into radioactive Boron (a proton grabs an electron) which then decays back into carbon (20 ms half life) releasing a high energy electron, with far more energy that the electron had to have to turn the carbon into Boron. This reaction seems unlikely, nuclear reactions do not tend to be Over Unity, and the beta radiation would again be deadly. While his theory seems probably entirely wrong it has been replicated by several including JLN and others with success: http://jlnlabs.online.fr/vsg/index.htm http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1310.0/topicseen.html William Alek has also replicated it. In some versions there is an Arc, in others there is just a short through a carbon rod, however it does seem that this carbon rod releases radiation, it has been measured. The VSG effect then seems to be a similar effect, however it has no capacitance and instead the beta radiation from the high current passing through the carbon rod is put to work by entering a coil and is entrained by an existing current adding energy to it. I believe that Edwin may have used the carbon to further 'Soften' the electrons. So the question turns to other ways to make these cold/soft electrons. First though I must note that Richard Lefores Clark proposed the existence of 'Soft' electrons which sound very much the same animal although his theory seems to concern things my theory does not. It is also worth noting that Hans Coler mentioned 'Space Electrons' moving between his capacitive plates, between the 'repelling and attracting spaces'. We will consider his methods later. Boyd Bushman in US patent 5,929,732 shows a magnetic device that projects a magnetic field an improbable distance, there are 2 other cases of people projecting DC magnetic fields impossible distances, and also one where an AC magnetic field projected impossible distances to cause a force on a distant aligned magnet. Boyd's device also falls slower than an object of the same mass and size. In his patent he describes an experiment where a VDG charged negatively which only has the ability to discharge a fraction of an inch can discharge 6 feet! through the air from the influence of 2 of his magnetic beamers, one of the beamers being north and one south (the arc hitting the south pole beamer). Peter Markovitch made a solid state Free Energy device seen here: http://www.rexresearch.com/markovic/atree.htm It has one very curious quality, it can pick up DC induction, something that though strange is not unique among FE devices, and it can have it flow in useful levels in various circuit configs some of which include open circuits! not something DC does. If we look at Hans Coler (current through magnet cores), Boyd Bushman, Markovitch (silver conductor with electromagnet wrapped over) we see the same design, current is passing through a magnetic field along the lines! This can cause the current to spiral, if this vortex flow is the reason I don't know but I suspect it is not exclusively. We see verification of this in JLN's replication of the VSG, if a coil produced a magnetic field of this orientation the energy output increased greatly. If we now again look at the TMB we see the same config, where the current (which strangely passes through the dielectric in the cell) moves along magnetic field lines. We also can note that Baumann powered his machine in large part be a cell very similar to the TMB, called 'The Linden Experiment', it is essentially identical to the TMB with this same magnetic field and current config. There are many other strange effects from this config, Hamdi Ucar for instance with a few volts got ionization from a coil with a similar crossing quality, lots of strange effects have been reported from such Mobius and Caduceus coils and it would take a separate post to cover this angle properly. Interestingly (and it is a word of warning) I have heard from 2 different sources neither of which I have any reason to believe knew of each other and both reported that coils of this type may produce X-Rays! Holy speeding electrons Batman! Both had experienced this in their research! (One of them (a Dr., no not Stiffler) also got levitation, and reported that it happens if you put in over something like 5 volts) Another example is seen in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltnlviCqu70 (watch the next 2 from him also) Same setup, electron flow along magnetic field and can arc through air despite low voltage being applied. So just to recap we have 7 accounts listed above of electrons flowing along magnetic field lines that seem to gain an airborne (or dielectric tunneling) quality at insufficient voltages to do so. Plus 2 cases of x-rays which indicates speeding electrons: And one case of Ozone at low voltages which indicates ionization which indicates airborne current. Boyd Bushman, Markovitch, Hans Coler (space electrons moving between plates), VSG, TMB, Hydrogen Tap video showing airborns spark, Linden Experiment (essentially a TMB variant), Hamdi Ucar, and 2 experimenters reporting x-rays. Electrons flowing along magnetic fields like this to such an obvious degree so as to be a design feature is rare, it is interesting that most all of them correlate with speeding electrons or becoming airborne. Although I have seen this used in a T. Henry Moray patent and I can't cite evidence of speeding electrons there. It also occurs in Paul Pantones GEET where a charged plasma moves along a magnetic field, but as exceptions go I don't think they prove that this concept lacks potential. Oh wait, I just remembered! I do recall Moray having current flow around or through sheets of glass. It is interesting to note that the GEET can get to a point where the plasma gets stuck moving in the magnetic field and this is where the interesting effects occur, that looks very much like what is happening to the electrons in "Hydrogen Tap's" experiment. Patrick Flanagan in US Patent 4,743,275 'Electron field generator' describes a capacitor with a dielectric dopped with tiny metal particles, the entire thing is then insulated and attached to a HV AC generator. This despite being insulated against the voltages applied emits electrons, these do not act like normal ion wind and fill a space almost immediately. (read his patent, though an alternative explanation is given I find it wanting. IMO he is creating the same low mass electrons that can thumb their nose at insulation. The method he is using is one used by many to create an aetheric effect but it would be taking this too far off subject to go there as most cases where this effect has been used has nothing to do with our subject but I could list 20 cases of this principle being used. This is all in addition to many experimenters finding charged metals from experiments of this type. That is something that is a challenge to explain sufficiently with microwaves but agrees with the above evidence. It is worth noting that a single strand might not hold much weight but when these strands are added together they form a thick rope, research into extraordinary claims is much the same way. Bill's web page(s) on ball lightening gains more and more weight as people add their report, apparently about 5% of the population have seen ball lightening about the same % that have seen lightening up close. A single report barely would be considered to count for much, but many many reports exist and with qualities that defy mundane explanation IMO. If we are here to explore to discover new things we must follow the less well proven tracks, don't expect evidence to be all peer reviewed papers printed in Nature, you must be willing to divine the truth of sources that are less proven and require some thought. Also it would be worth noting that most fully "respectible" scientists would not think about these possibilities, try the experiments or report on them if they did so anyone who does report results is going to be more likely either an amateur or a professional who not well respected. Evidence is evidence not proof and it pays to carefully consider evidence logically rather than outright reject it without consideration. If anyone is unclear how the various different devices all show the same magnetic and current condition I will happily make an image that shows all of them. On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:09 AM, John Berry <[email protected]> wrote: > That is fine then, as long as it is clear that it is used not to demotivate > but to make things more rigorous. > > But criticism can feel like an attack even when you aren't expecting it but > moreso when you are. > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:03 AM, William Beaty <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, John Berry wrote: >> >> > I considered that and more but IMO that moves from the realm of >> probability >> > to debunking.. >> >> Debunking is totally different than criticism. Debunkers try to stop >> thought, stop experiments, and say "we should drop this topic because >> of X." >> >> Critics on the other hand say things like "what makes you so certain that >> problem X isn't causing your readings?" Or "until you solve this Y >> problem, there's still a big chance that you've been fooling yourself." >> >> >> (((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))) >> William J. 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