OrionWorks wrote:

In regards to the above Bacon comments "...and other end-of-history fruitcakes" I must lodge an inconsequential complaint. Bacon's prose strikes me as so incredibly convoluted and turgid from my (occasionally dyslexic) POV that I sometimes wished the writer would have simply come out and stated the obvious, something like "...folly follows in the footsteps of those who assume we have learned everything there is to know about the universe." But then, Bacon's prose wouldn't have been so eloquent, would it!

It is difficult to understand partly because Bacon wrote in Latin, so this is a translation. I do not know what his English prose is like, but when people write in a second language their writing tends to be stilted. He wrote in Latin because he thought that English might not last long into the future, and he was writing mainly for future audiences. He knew that few people in his own time understood or wanted to hear what he had to say. More than anyone else in history, he lived in the future. He wrote: "I have lost much time with this age: I would be glad to recover it with posterity."

It was not unreasonable to think that English might vanish in a few generations, because there were few speakers and England was on the periphery of Europe.

The other reason this is difficult is because he describes the problem in detail. Many people have pointed out the folly of assuming "we have learned everything there is to know" but Bacon described the details: who thinks that ("men of a prudent and exact turn of thought") why they think that, why they are wrong, and what to do about it. This is a detailed blueprint for how to launch and conduct the scientific revolution.

Anyone who wishes to advance the cause of science today in opposition to the barbarian know-nothing, read-nothing people at Sci. Am. and NewScientist can learn a lot by reading Bacon's methods, because he faced much worse odds than we do: Elizabethan society had even more Horgans and Huizengas than we must contend with (although such people are never in short supply). Also because the revolution he launched is incomplete and much that he suggested remains to be done.


As to the rest of Bacon's commentary:  "...the role of discoverers:"
After my second failed attempt to comprehend the meaning behind the
writers first two sentences I simply gave up.

Perhaps a different translation would help. Here is the first Aphorism I quoted, #92, in an 1863 translation by Spedding, Ellis and Heath:

"But by far the greatest obstacle to the progress of science and to the undertaking of new tasks and provinces therein is found in this -- that men despair and think things impossible. For wise and serious men are wont in these matters to be altogether distrustful, considering with themselves the obscurity of nature, the shortness of life, the deceitfulness of the senses, the weakness of the judgment, the difficulty of experiment, and the like; and so supposing that in the revolution of time and of the ages of the world the sciences have their ebbs and flows; that at one season they grow and flourish, at another wither and decay, yet in such sort that when they have reached a certain point and condition they can advance no further."

http://www.constitution.org/bacon/nov_org.htm


Here is a modern translation from Cambridge U., presumably translated by Jardine & Silverthorn, although they are listed as "editors." It seems rather flat to me:

"XCII But much the greatest obstacle to the progress of the sciences into opening up new tasks and provinces within them lies in man's lack of hope and in the assumption that it is impossible. For grave and prudent men tend to be quite without confidence in such things, reflecting in themselves on the obscurity of nature, the shortness of life, the defects of the senses, the weaknesses of judgment, the difficulties of experiments, and so on. . . ."

The quote about inventors is from Aphorism 129 (CXXIX).

- Jed

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