Well, Jed, thanks anyway for posting it, in spite of the risk. I don't think you were insulting. This is exactly what I would expect. Steady heat in a controlled reaction. Precisely. Very difficult, unless someone gets lucky, and the fact that hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent, I think, looking for this is a clue that it is far less than easy.

But, of course, that's not what the project I'm starting is about. It's not designed to directly convince the venture capitalists, or anyone else who is stubbornly or even simply instinctively skeptical, we could even call it "prudent," for that matter, though it may help with true skeptics. It's designed simply to demonstrate one or more of the effects we consider clearly *associated* with excess heat. If we can show excess heat, great, but that is probably not the baseline, cheapest kit. We *might* show some evidence of heat generation without being able to nail it down.

Indeed, the most conclusive evidence for nuclear reactions, helium correlated with excess heat, we may not be able to show, at least it is far less than a sure thing, if your explanation about Miles' work is definitive (but I'm not giving up, just recognizing a very significant chance of failing there, I'll deal with a remaining possibility in another post). But that work has been done, and it's been replicated, and though not through more-desirable exact replications, still quite adequately.

The most frustrating aspect of the 2004 DoE review, to me, was the insufficient attention given to the helium results. Dismissing those results as below ambient (false, actually) or noisy simply doesn't recognize what any trained scientist should recognize, the power of correlation. The report summary got the facts blatantly wrong, misstating what was in the report; had the misstatement been correct, what would have been shown was lack of correlation, not correlation. In other words, Hagelstein et al failed to get the reviewers' attention, and the attention of the DoE, in an effective manner. (That's not a personal criticism, punching through the noise on something like this is extremely difficult, though there may be people who would have been more skilled at it, if we could get them involved.)

In other words, we already know, to a reasonable certainty, that we are looking at low-energy nuclear reactions. And we know that conclusive evidence will be rejected, because it has been, and helium is only one example. So how to move beyond this?

My plan is to build the community, to extend and broaden the community, and, especially, to involve young people, the future. Kowalski is more or less on the right track, I hope he becomes involved. Chemistry teachers, physics teachers will be part of our market.

Many are involved in the search for how to make the effects reliable and to scale them up. However, the field overall is, in my view, severely hampered by the absence of simple baseline experiments that anyone can easily replicate. You seem to think that impossible, but that is, I believe, because you are looking for qualities in that experiment that need not be there. The essential is that the experiment create and detect, in some way, NAE. Arata could work, and that's an approach that is on the table, but codeposition is a technique that has seen much wider use. I was just reading some of the early work, plus the powerpoint presentation from the SPAWAR group at Duncan's recent seminar, very nice.

The "simple replication" is far from the demonstration that the VCs want to see.

Once there is a baseline kit, cheap, widely tested (both by amateurs, students, etc., but also by experts), we might see an explosion of research into variations, and, you never know, one of the amateurs just might stumble across something. Or one of the experts, more likely.

At 03:21 PM 9/11/2009, you wrote:
Perhaps I should not post this message here because one of these fellows might be thinking of calling me back, and this might upset him . . .

I have been contacted by venture capitalists from time to time, more often after the 60 Minutes program. Several researchers I know have also been contacted. The conversation may be short or long but boiled down to its essence it is a Repeat Until loop with the condition Until True=False. It goes something like this:

V.C.: If you can show me a cell that produces steady heat in a controlled reaction, I can get you lots of money.

Me: If I had a cell that did that, I wouldn't need your money.
[etc.]

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