At 08:58 AM 10/1/2009, Roarty, Francis X wrote:
[snip] might not be a metal lattice; the whole biological transmutation
approach, we might suspect, would represent protein-catalyzed fusion,
basically a protein, I assume, setting up confinement conditions that
facilitate fusion.[snip]

Abd,
I am not familiar with this biological transmutation but assume your previous reference to spontaneous human combustion also comes under this heading?

Not really, but politically they are similar in certain ways. Biological transmutation is a highly controversial field, of course. If cold fusion is impossible, biological transmutation would be restricted to certain narrow possibilities, such as the acceleration of radioactive decay; it's known that the chemical environment can do that. But, of course, we think that cold fusion, or something more or less equivalent that can result in elemental transformation, is possible.

So biological transmutation is on the table.

With SHC, then, we might imagine an energy source from cold fusion, but there are already ample energy sources available for combustion, in body fat, for example. How an NAE would not only arise in the body such that there is energy release, but that this, then, without generating intermediate effects, like your arm burning up but not the rest of you, goes whole-hog and incinerates the whole body, seems quite a stretch. Quite a stretch. With runaway "heat-after-death" -- which is much more "reproducible" than SHC -- there is a continuum of effects, from none to low to high enough to melt the palladium.

Given that the very existence of SHC is controversial, adding controversy to controversy by very publicly speculating on SHC in his book, I think Storms shot himself in the foot. A little. I can understand. Simon notes that CF researchers, having been rejected and isolated as fringe or worse for so many years, generally became more tolerant of the extreme fringe. To some degree, the effect is good. Extreme fringe should never be *completely* off the table, just channeled to a corner where it can be discussed on a small scale until and unless something more reliable is found. This all has to do with how collective intelligence functions, when it's functional.

I have suspected such a connection since learning the rare earth metal calcium is a porous powder which the body uses to build bone structure. I can only speculate at some natural process or disease that builds or leaches away to form pores of Casimir geometry in a biological equivalent of creating skeletal catalysts (no pun intended). Something out of the ordinary might be needed to encourage the ambient gas in these pores to become monatomic but the possible connection to excess heat is an intriguing clue.
Fran

There is a paper out there, so to speak, by Solomon Goldfein: Energy Development From Elemental Transmutations In Biological Systems, http://www.rexresearch.com/goldfein/goldfein.htm

As I investigated the field of cold fusion for Wikipedia, I came across the "Biological transmutation" article, and, as well, the work of Vyosotskii. When I first looked at the Goldfein article, I was immediately put off by the reference to ATP as a "cyclotron." Now, rereading the paper recently, I saw that what he claimed might be more plausible than my knee-jerk reaction would allow. It still seems ridiculous, because what confines the electrons to the ATP chain once they reach sufficient energy to break free?

Rather, Goldfein's theory is built on sand, insufficient confirmed anecdotal experimental evidence. That foundation must be solid for a radical theory, overturning more than a century of assumptions, to gain traction. There is a place for very raw speculation, but it's not in widespread discourse, it is in the locale for "back-of-the-envelope" or "napkin" sketches or calculations: in private work or in very small-scale discussions where brainstorming is de rigeur, where there is rapport; such discussions can cut through the rigid assumptions that are necessary for routine life, but which confine and restrict at the same time.

If someone wants to work on biological transformation, and thinks that there is a reproducible experiment out there, nail down an experimental design, I'd be very interested, if it's cheap to do. If it's not cheap, you'd have to convince someone weightier than I. What I like about Vyosotskii is that it's possible for the work with deinococcus radiodurans to be done cheaply, the only really difficult part is the Mossbauer spectroscopy, assuming Voysotskii's culture wasn't unique, and it's possible that a market could be sufficient to justify hiring the services or building an adequate, special-purpose, spectrograph. Perhaps if someone meets Vyosotskii, or has good communication with him, he can be asked about how to obtain the culture. I'd definitely be interested in establishing a line and making it available for sale. If I buy the culture from the source I mentioned the other day, I'd be highly restricted, if they would even sell to me, and I wouldn't know for sure that it was a functional culture.

One nice thing about d. radiodurans: it apparently has highly stable DNA. Very difficult to mutate it, that's the point.


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