On Oct 24, 2009, at 4:36 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:

Horace,
I can't find a good citation on this but there seems to be A LOT of conflicting views regarding the way mass "sums" or as you mentioned " shell mass outside that radius sums to zero", specifically "when" and "where" the summing occurs (in the medium or in the matter). If the summing occurs in the matter one would assume it is being pulled equally in all directions by a larger quantity of gravity and therefore feel weightless but have higher dilation than on the surface. Wikipedia seems to support this view but the majority of the forums lean toward your position.
Best Regards
Fran

From Wikipedia Gravitational time dilation is the effect of time passing at different rates in regions of different gravitational potential; the lower the gravitational potential (closer to the center of a massive object), the more slowly clocks run. Albert Einstein originally predicted this effect in his theory of relativity and it has since been confirmed by tests of general relativity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation

I can see why this is confusing. This is written from the point of view of two non-overlapping masses. It could have been better stated as; "From Wikipedia Gravitational time dilation is the effect of time passing at different rates in regions of different gravitational field intensity; the higher the gravitational field intensity (closer to the center of a massive object), the more slowly clocks run. Albert Einstein originally predicted this effect in his theory of relativity and it has since been confirmed by tests of general relativity."

Masses do not react to potentials, they react to fields. Gravitational fields superposition, just like Coulombic fields. The gravitational field intensity is zero midway between two equal mass objects. Gravitational field intensity is zero at the center of the earth. If you are in a closed box at the center of a large planet there is no way to tell you are not located out in space away from any gravitational mass.


Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/




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