At 11:13 AM 10/30/2009, Mike Carrell wrote:
This discussion ignores the elephant in the room. a) Heat is *fundamental* and scalar, particles and radiation are not. Because it is fundamental, many factors affect heat and careful experimental technique is essential. b) Commercial value [i.e. money] is for utility for motive power and electricity. Even the Tokomaks and ITER output will be *heat*. Until LENR devices/systems produce *heat* cheaply and reliably all else is academic busywork. Particles, in particular, are peculiar pointers to pertinate features but are not the main act.

Sorry, wrong. Parochial.

There is the "energy production" mindset being expressed by Mr. Carrell.

I'm interested in "academic" results. I'm scaling down, not up. The "main act" for someone looking for endless supplies of energy isn't that for me.

Nuclear process is it for me, but, more accurately, determining if nuclear processes are present in cold fusion cells is what I'm trying to do, that is, confirming the work of others that indicate this.

I'm not at all claiming that heat is not important. But it is entirely possible that radiation can be shown without "careful experimental technique," beyond that needed to generate the effect. Just as it is possible that excess heat may be shown with that care. Just how much care was Mizuno exercising when he boiled off all that water?

Fleischman with his cube of palladium that apparently melted, attempting its own mini-China-syndrome?

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