On Nov 4, 2009, at 5:10 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:

From Abd

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FTL travel would have to involve something different than ordinary
acceleration; therefore, why bother with acceleration at all?

Is this premise seriously being discussed?

I confess that I haven't been following all the technical specifics in this thread line-by-line but... let me get this straight. Have there actually been Vort individuals who have been speculating that FTL velocities could
eventually be achieved simply by applying constant acceleration to a
space-ship such as from a device like from a supped-up reactionless drive?

If so, how quaint. I guess Neutron would be proud! Einstein might sigh,
however. ;-)

Granted, I myself am a firm believer that FTL travel may eventually be
achieved through clever physics trickery, but I seriously doubt such
cheating will be achieved by brute force acceleration technology techniques. For my money, the often discussed worm-hole theory seems to be the best candidate. Others have speculated that warping the immediate surroundings of
the fabric of space might be another viable candidate, but again,
acceleration by itself would not be responsible for achieving FTL speeds, as
I understand it.

That is only true if reaction mass is required, or equivalently, a lot of energy is required for each increment of momentum, as in the photon thrust rocket, which requires 2.94x10^9 watts per kgf of thrust, and fuel must be carried to produce that energy. If either (1) vacuum energy can be tapped for a large thrust photon rocket, or (2) vacuum fluctuation particles can be pushed on as a reaction mass, then the limitations to which you refer are gone. You can accelerate continuously at g or multiples of g, from the passenger perspective, with the appropriate technology.

As a passenger in a 1 g ship, it would appear you can effectively go faster than c because the distances appear to shrink. If you could ride on a photon how long would it take you to travel a light year? Zero seconds. From the viewpoint of the folks at home, you never go faster than c. That is because the information about you, your messages, your telescope image, arrive back on earth at c. Further, as you approach c, the quality of the information about you degrades as you depart, it drops in frequency. If instant quantum communication can be sustained through acceleration, then it is a whole new ball game. Relativity is out the window. The folks at home can watch the whole journey from your perspective. More importantly, you don't even have to go. You can just send robots and stay home and watch.

If you can go across the galaxy at what appear to you to be multiples of c, or compress the distance by a comparably large fraction, and actually arrive somewhere, it shouldn't matter what the folks at home think they know about your progress. That doesn't change the fact you arrived.

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/




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