At 11:55 AM 12/18/2009, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Well, as Deep Throat sed: "Follow the money."

What's the payoff.

Smuggling donkeys.

While this scam is running, do you have any idea what salaries Steorn executives are drawing? Do you know if any payments are being made to investors? Where is the money coming from? Absolutely. Follow the money.

Steorn may be showing a loss, even. But suppose if the major expense has been those salaries, and those drawing the large salaries are among the investors. They may even have been fully paid off and are still drawing the salaries. They can lose their investment and it will give them a fat tax deduction, blunting the effect.

What would be of real interest would be the cash flow. What's coming in and what is going out, and from where and to where?

For the moment it's still looking to me, personally, as if Steorn IS
attempting to perform a major slam-dunk. I fear for their lives.

Only because you are disposed to think an over unity device is possible. Who is going to kill them for a hoax? Only some burned investor would even consider it, and if they don't have any of those, if they are keeping their investors happy, no danger. If they don't have investors who have been deceived, they aren't in danger.

The engineers who have blessed Orbo, have they been deceived? Sure, maybe. But they were also paid, I might guess. What would be the basis for revenge? That they were fooled? They would hang their heads in shame all the way to the bank....

Or they know the scheme, fully, and are enjoying it.

Under such an obviously elaborate scenario (a scenario that is NOT
Occam Razor's approved) it seems to me that the only chance they have
of succeeding would be to have the equivalent of another ORBO
contraption waiting under wraps, a device that DOES perform the
equivalent of powering a light bulb, and also has no deceptive battery
attached to the housing confusing everyone to no end. Preferably a
capacitor.

Nah. You are not defining "succeeding" as "making money." I think they are or will be making money, for some, at the expense of others. The "others" will each lose only a little, and they will have done so by making a speculative investment at the wrong time. Too late. Happens all the time!

To me, it's speculative whether they will or will not show an actually fraudulent machine, with no obvious faults. They might. That would be the last stage in the game, or approaching it. At that point, people who invest in this by buying a developer license will almost certainly lose their money, or most of it. Because the only way to recover would be to allow, then, within a reasonable time (a year?) independent replication, which will blow the covers off. On the other hand, perhaps they will figure out a way to keep it going. Tell me, folks, would you have predicted that Steorn would be, three years later, still on this track? Murky as ever?

My wacky reasoning: One of Steorn's advertisement clearly states that
their magic juju bean technology is capable of powering laptops, even
cars.

Yeah, but they also prohibit Companies in the proposed company licensing from being companies that will develop those applications. Interesting, eh?

 And as we all know powering cars (50 kw for starts) would
obviously take a lot of juju been juice. Meanwhile, what's obviously
on public display right now at the Waterfront is pathetically
inadequate in suggesting to anyone that such juju bean juice is in the
works. It's as if Steorn has deliberately placed a straw dog in front
of a bunch of bullies in a calculated attempt to entice them to start
swinging at the decoy, and then at the right moment swap out the decoy
with the real McCoy.

Nah. All they would need to do to keep it all going would be to replace the obviously defective toy with one that looks better.


I have to admit... it's a romantic scenario I've concocted. Worth a
good screen play!

Not very realistic, however. ;-)

That's right. It requires a device which is probably impossible, with anything like the technology they are using, if it's possible at all.

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