On 12/22/2009 07:58 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote:
Terry, what I tried to communicate, maybe a bit aggressively, was that,
I'm just a visitor to the Dublin Waterways Visitor Centre - I've got
nothing to do with Steorn, in fact, they didn't even want to sponsor me
a Steorn USB Hall Probe. I see most of the Steorn commentary on
vort-list has changed into pretty much "how do you know?" followed by
"how do YOU know?" followed by calls of snake-oil and charlatanism.
Yeah, I'm afraid that was mostly me and Abd yelling at each other.
Sorry about that -- apologies to everybody; that went on *much* too long.
Step 1 -- make point.
Step 2 -- beat point to death.
Step 3 -- go back to step (2)
What I haven't yet seen happen on vo- is a bunch of people calling
eachother out as being paid by this or that company or corporation to
advertise their products in a "good light".
Yow, I hope not!
Nobody here pulling that stuff, or accusing anybody else of that. The
list is moderated, at least to the extent that spammers are kept away.
If anybody gets rude, tell 'em, and they should apologize. (I certainly
will apologize, and stop, if it's me that goes over the line.)
I wanted to say, please don't - they're just a bunch of pictures taken
with shaky hands, by someone who barely knows the shape of a toroidal
coil from the shape of a pick-up coil.
:-)
Toroidal coil shaped like bagel. Pickup coil shaped like lump of cream
cheese which goes on bagel, IIRC.
Let's just say the choice of *toroidal* coils may have helped reduce the
back EMF from the motor to a very small value. As such, it's closely
tied to their claim that all energy goes into resistive heating, and
therefore all the torque energy coming out is "free" or "OU". The
toroid largely contains the B field, which means you won't be paying
much to set it up, so CEMF is likely to be very small (but I haven't
worked out the details or tried any experiments; that's just how it
looks to me like it should work).
(Done some reading over at VOTB regarding Sean's recent demo/video -- it
was enlightening, and in fact the bias over there isn't all one way.)
[ ... ]
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Terry Blanton <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Esa Ruoho <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> seriously, vorts, none of you slag me off for taking poor-quality
pictures
> on a phone, and if any of you (im looking at at least 3 of the main
> speculators, now) start working out angles like "esa's a paid
shill from
> steorn" or further frustrated filth of the like, i'm going to
start spamming
> this list with the electronic music i make as Lackluster - and
then i'll get
> banned.
Depends on how good it is, and whether Bill Beaty likes the tunes.
I usually work with the sound turned off so it won't do me much good.
