Dear peter, I did get your original posting, about 11 hours ago. I had similar problems of not getting my own posts, which were solved by adding myself to my gmail contacts.
I agree with you that Jed's assertion that we know enough on what makes a CF cell work to enable independent replication is hogwash. Michel 2010/3/24 Peter Gluck <[email protected]>: > I have sent this once but it seems it has not arrived= communication > problems? > "Dear Cousin Jed, > You are right in principle, we have many elements of know what and know > how re the cells. > We know the critical parameters but we cannot always achieve them. We > definitely have noknow why because we do not have first class theories that > predict, we also do not have > second class theories that prohibit only third class that explain, and don't > explain clearly. > Do you have a favorite theory? > And we are unable to explain miraculous results as Mizuno's unquenchable > cathode or Energetics' cathode no 64- such events are unique and cannot be > understood yet. > And only these are good for a technology, not those asking for sensitive > calorimeters. > . And we do not have examples of solid reproductbility. We perhaps know, but > we can not as much as we know. > My guess is that this situation si due to the poisoning- in an uncontrolable > way of the active sites (Ed Storm' NAE) with S, C, N trace compounds from > air- the same that are causing climate change. In order to try to get > coontrollable LENR these poisons have to be removed from the system. Nobody > believes me, and I have no lab to try myself.. > Perhaps we know what makes the cells work, but it is equally important to > know what makes the cells to NOT work. Unfortunately the cells know this too > Peter" > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Jed Rothwell <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Michel Jullian wrote: >> >>> It is less independent than using a fresh cathode and >>> > your own cell. >>> >>> Which, since you don't really know what makes the original cell work, >>> is even harder than moving the original cell. >> >> We know what makes the cells work. With bulk Pd the control parameters are >> well known: high loading, stimulation and so on. They are difficult to >> achieve, but we know what they are. >> >> If you mean that we need to know what makes the cell work on theoretical >> basis, that's just plain incorrect. Look carefully and ask enough questions >> and you we will find that people do not know the theoretical basis for >> anything, not even the formation of ice from liquid water. >> >> >>> Anyway, I said "independent measurement", not independent replication. >> >> It is almost as difficult to do an independent measurement as a >> replication, unless you are visiting the lab and using the experimenter's >> own equipment. >> >> >>> I am sure it would convince many on the contrary. What would you think >>> of someone telling you he can fly to the moon by flapping his arms, to >>> use your analogy, and never letting anyone watch for 20 years? >> >> That's silly. Energetic Technology welcomed Rob Duncan. McKubre has had >> hundreds of visitors, such as Richard Garwin. Garwin wrote a report saying >> he found no error. What more do you want? Heck, even I've been to plenty of >> labs. >> >> - Jed >> > >
