In reply to Heffner citation in message sent by Jones Beene on Thursday, January 06, 2011 12:32 PM Hi Jones, I was trying to introduce a question regarding hydrogen "pressure" similar to the Thermacore Ni tubing or Pd membrane used for disassociating hydrogen VS nano powders or other bulk materials like foamed metals where the gas can diffuse around the grains when I read your thread and link to Horace's thread. I am wondering if a solid membrane may be a required piece of this puzzle to keep the loaded hydrogen disassociated and create pressure differentials inside closed cavities (in addition to different levels of Casimir suppression). My motive for this question is that the present claims are mostly associated with single layers and even the claims involving nano powders are low enough to be accounted for by just the surface area of the powder grains. I think the Casimir geometry between the grains of powder can also be harnessed if we separate it into layers using solid membranes all stacked inside a tube pressurized on one end with hydrogen. This is very similar to what Horrace is saying below although he is building his Casimir geometry onto one side of his membrane where I am seeking to get my geometry by using a conductive nano powder of appropriate shape and size to form Casimir geometry. I did receive reply from Nicholas Moller regarding the MAHG but he simply ignored questions regarding his use of a single layer of sputtered Tungsten vs bulk poweders and my question regarding use of a vacuum tube vs an inert gas to keep oxygen out of the equation. Regards Fran
[Jones snip] Speaking of piles of cold stuff, there is a lingering resonance today from Heffner thread over a year ago, http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg35190.html which mentions the Clarendon dry pile, *which has been running for over 160 years* in case you do not remember that shocking <g> bit of trivia; and is the closest thing to macro perpetual motion which is out there (but it will stop eventually): [/ jones snip] Horace Heffner Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:58:16 -0700 Some concepts regarding the possible role of zero point energy in the operation of the dry pile was discussed here: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/DryPile.pdf http://tinyurl.com/7esqne Some concepts regarding the possible capture of zero point energy via by utilization liquid flow of van der Waals force bound liquids through cavities sufficiently small to reduce the Casimir force component, and thus the boiling point, were discussed here: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/CasimirBoiler.pdf http://tinyurl.com/lkjfnp It is notable that these concepts can be combined in various useful ways. First, the stacking concept of the dry pile can be applied to the Casimir boiler to make a series heat pump, which pumps heat between thin layers, with gaps between the layers, adding energy at each layer extracted from the zero point field via the Casimir force. This can be done by stacking layers of foil with gaps between created by using (relatively) widely spaced separators between the foil layers, separators like a single dispersed layer of nano-powder grains, or nano-engineered pillars, in order to maintain a thin gap between foils. The layers of foil are oriented horizontally so as to make use of gravity and displacement forces to accumulate liquids or more dense complexes on the bottom layer. The top of each foil is made to have a conducting nano-pore covered layer by means explained regarding the Casimir Boiler. The bottom of each layer separator is metallic. The nano-pore cavities tend to separate the van der Waals force bound liquid components, in effect boiling them with an amount of heat reduced by the lack of Casimir force due to the exclusion of the zero point field from those nano-pore cavities. Breaking the van der Waals bond of the entities in the cavities in effect raises the pressure in the cavity, thus, on average expelling unbound constituents, and taking in bound constituents. Displacement forces tend to drive the bound constituents toward the lower layer. The heat released by Casimir contraction of the constituents is released in the form of vibration of the van der Waals bound complexes, and this heat is released upon contact of those bound complexes with the bottom of the next layer up. In other words, the Casimir boiling surface creates a vertical thermal gradient between each layer, with the higher layer being warmer than the layer below it, thus creating a series of exceptionally thin zero point energy driven heat pumps. Second, if the van der Waals bound constituents of the above described series heat pump are feasible electron transporters, the Casimir Boiler and Dry Pile concepts work very well together because the heat so generated assists overcoming the potential difference between layers, and the appropriate conductor layering can be accomplished without affecting the principles of operation of the Casimir boiler. It is only necessary to insure that the bottoms of nano-pores anodized onto the foil top are conductive, which can be accomplished by acid etching if necessary. The choice of electron donor metal is then deposited over the pores and pore bottoms, thus creating Casimir boiler cavities that double as electron donor plates as well. Any conductive layers further required to maintain required potential drops, and the acceptor layer, can be added to the bottoms of the foil plates. Note that the above manners of construction entirely avoid the need for fragile pass-through Casimir cavity meshes to achieve the Casimir boiling. The boil-condense cycle time is utterly minimized. The flow- by concept is maximized in efficiency. The fragile nano-structures remain fixed to the much larger and structurally stronger foil, greatly reducing construction and operating difficulties. The flux of particles into and out of the cavities is driven by both Casimir boiling and gravitational displacement. By making the gap between foils thin, there is no need for actual liquid formation. The "boiling" then only applies to one complex at a time, the constituents of which can each consist of a single almost inert molecule or atom, where the complexes themselves are small and exist in gas form because they do not have the time or opportunity to form large droplets. The series operation achieved by stacking very thin layers permits the accumulation of a sufficient temperature difference or electrical potential difference to make energy extraction practical. It is feasible to use a mixed gas to achieve the above goals. Such a gas consists of a Casimir boiling gas, like carbon tetrachloride, mixed with an electron transport gas, like argon. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
