Jones Beene <[email protected]> wrote:
> There is little doubt that Rossi is being > pushed up to the MW range by the Greek investors - who probably want it for > ocean shipping. That may be overly ambitious at the start. > I do not know about being pushed. It seems he is enthusiastic about doing this. That's my impression. One thing for sure: this is costing someone A LOT OF MONEY. There is some serious financial muscle behind this, at least, serious by the standards of cold fusion. You don't fabricate and assemble 125 prototype gadgets of this nature for peanuts. I figure there are two ways to make 125 of these things: 1. One at a time, by hand, which costs a lot. I imagine there would the quality control problems. 2. by building some sort of production line, at least a rudimentary one, with equipment to fabricate the devices. Or if it outsourced I guess this would be a large bulk order with a company that makes Ni catalyst for some other purpose, and a company that makes suitable containment vessels. The containment vessels that a company fabricated in Japan for Mizuno cost a fortune. Rossi is talking about mass production at the end of this year. He may have some sort of production line now but apparently he's planning to have a much bigger one in 11 months. Rossi is talking about produce electricity and one cent per kilowatt hour. since there are no fuel costs and the Ni catalyst has to be replaced every six months, I suppose that gives us some indication of what it costs. I assume that is the cost of process steam in this case: roughly $0.01/kWh. $10/MWH. In other words . . . Let's assume the machine is used in a factory for 2 shifts and produces 16 MHW of steam per day, 20 days a month. (I suppose that a factory needing a 1 MW steam generator would be large, with 2 shifts). In 6 months, that's 1,920 MWH at $10 each equals $19,200 in 6 months. That's dirt cheap. I think they said there is ~1 L of catalyst per gadget. Hard to believe it costs him only $19,200 to make 125 L of catalyst, plus the amortized cost of the machine. . . . $153 for the gadget they showed in the Jan. 14 test? Maybe they mean it will cost $0.01/kWh after mass production begins. Let us assume the claim about copper is correct. Perhaps the catalyst will be remanufactured and the copper from it will be sold. I wonder if there's a market for isotope-shifted copper. Maybe it is worth extra? Is there a market for it mildly radioactive material? Probably not, and I'll bet this stuff is radioactive. See? This is an example of wild guessing and unfounded speculation. This is what I was complaining about before, in the thread, "Your suspicion is not proof there is a problem." BUT, it would only be a problem if I were to make this back-of-the-envelope calculation, then jump to the conclusion that I must be right, and then assert: "It can't be as cheap as $0.01/kWh! He's lying!" The classic portrayal of a person being carried away by his own imagination is in the movie "Duck Soup" in the scene in which Groucho Goes to War on False Pretenses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM01v_vVnbg - Jed
