The zitter is rolled into COE as gas laws and remains random to such a small scale as to be physically un-exploitable. It does however appear to be "un-physically" exploitable harnessing London forces and nano geometry to "segregate" the vacuum wavelengths behind gas motion into the mesoscopic scale where the needed asymmetry you describe can be "arranged". COE will still resist any asymmetry so you may be able to cause time dilation by biasing a population of radioactive gas to spend more time in one segregated area of energy density [inside] vs another [outside] a cavity but this represents very little energy and may already be rolled into our system as "catalytic action". The point is that we need to confine nature and "repeatedly" impose asymmetrical conditions to rectify any significant energy from these schemes. They differ in scale, materials and extraction methods but they all have segregation of energy density and exploiting asymmetrical conditions in common. I think this stage is set when we create the changes in Casimir geometry and then introduce gas atoms but it remains up to us how to engineer the asymmetry. Little evidence of ZPE should exist in nature.. It was known that P1V1=P2V2 long before we learned that both products should also be divided by their temps - we had to confine nature and force gas into a smaller container for change in temp to exhibit itself and I think we are now taking this to the next level where we are compressing or reducing what Puthoff refers to as "pressure" to reveal relativistic effects .. the infancy of vacuum engineering? Regards Fran
Re: [Vo]:5th Force and Yukawa mixent Sun, 01 May 2011 19:44:08 -0700 In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 1 May 2011 19:05:22 -0700: Hi, [snip] >How would the fifth force act to produce heat? Since it is >inter-dimensional, the FF could merely amplify the zitter or vibrational >level already present in 3space - kind of like a sail catching a 4D >'breeze'... and yes to all appearances it DOES seem to violate CoE, but not >really anymore than nuclear energy appears to do (if you did know about the >strong and weak forces). ..some form of asymmetry is still needed to get free energy. IOW you either need some form of rectification, or a permanent change. Perhaps the short range of the force could play a role here? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
