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From: Jed Rothwell 

Jones Beene wrote:

> As for the TEG - there is no thermoelectric generator available as a
> commercial item which will guaranteed 5% efficiency today. Wiki says the
> best is 3%. Even at 3% you get no guarantee, and they fail easily.


JR: Here is a commercial TEG that is 5.4% efficient:

http://ect2007.its.org/system/files/u1/pdf/30.pdf

JB: No. Again, you seem to seldom read the papers you cite for proof. 

This paper speculates on a part which is not being made anymore, and AFAIK 
Melcor the maker of this part - went belly-up, and was bought by Laird. Laird 
apparently does not make any TEG modules at all - only cooling. 

Would you drop the technology if it really worked? Ergo, it seems that there is 
no commercial part. Only a second-rate paper making unsubstantiated claims.

In summary, the paper you cite makes an estimate, based on a mathematical model 
which projects from temperatures which are off-spec for the original part - 
which is no longer in production. This proves nothing except it did not work 
well enough to keep it in production.

> JB: Rossi knows not waste his time with thermoelectrics, which BTW was his 
> most
> recent and glaring "failure to deliver". His vaunted TEGs - built at US
> taxpayer expense, were a gigantic disappointment - since Rossi claimed to
> get 20+ %, but in actual testing averaged 1%. That should be a warning of
> what to expect from the E-Cat, as well.

JR: That is a biased sample. You should look at the totality of Rossi's 
work, which has been mainly successful. 

JB: Oh my! LOL - you must mean the infamous Petrodragon work :) 

Where is the "mainly successful" work from Rossi?

In fact, has not the guy not been mostly a failure for his entire career? 

In fact, does not this entire Defkalion Green Technology thing have "pump and 
dump" written all over it ?

It is completely possible that Rossi was hand-picked by the Greek scammers as a 
patsy for a sophisticated "pump and dump" stock IPO, since he was exactly what 
they were looking for - and could back up with experiment the kind of 
technology that gets media attention, which it did - and which they can turn 
into a billion Euro IPO scam this fall. 

Or sooner. Look for the IPO in July, along with a staged demo of a less than 
one MW unit.

The ironic thing is - the Greeks do not care if it works or not, only that they 
can get enough media exposure to sell out the IPO. Did you see the interview? 
Scary characters in my appraisal. 

The double irony is the technology may actually work ! when all that the Greek 
scammers need is a "successor to the GWE scam". 

How quickly we forget. Genesis World Energy could be the model stock scam for 
Defkalion. 

Where is "Chipotle pickle" (who uncovered the GWE scam) when we need him?

Jones





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