-----Original Message-----
From: Harry Veeder 

> Jones, I hope you are wrong.

Note: my worries are only precautionary - and thus far there is NO evidence of 
a scam on the part of Defkalion. But certainly, they do appreciate that the 
patent claims are weak. Who wouldn't?

> HV: Another possibility is that Defkalion knows that Rossi's patent claims
are very weak or even futile. The 1mW plant will serve to impress investors
and *secure* loads of money quickly so that they can stay ahead of the 
competition, at least for a while.

But why wait? - they could have billions in the bank NOW - with a proven 
self-runner. 

A self-runner is the holy grail. No one has ever done it to date in LENR. I 
hope that the current situation is "oversight", and that Defkalion did not 
realize that COP>8 will essentially guarantee a self-runner. 

But Rossi could put all the worries aside when he "closes the loop" with or 
without their approval. Why would Rossi not want to do this? Does he not trust 
his own skills?

If this device is actually as robust as the evidence seems to show, then he 
needs to go this route - for his own protection, if nothing else. I have a 
feeling that he will try to do this, in fact - and that he has probably come to 
the understanding that he may have "sold far more value to Defkalion than they 
thought they were buying".

Jones

To that end, I propose that we suggest to Rossi the best approach for a 
self-runner, based on the same E-Cat tested by the Swedes. 

The Swedes showed that they could disconnect the H2 for a couple of hours. The 
obvious first objective is that we want to find the best way to convert 2.5-4 
megawatts of heat into a few hundred watts of electricity with an off-the-shelf 
converter. With a few more details, the self-looped E-Cat can be set up on a 
wheeled cart, started up on the grid, disconnected from the grid - and then run 
under its own power for a couple of hours. No calorimetry required. No way to 
cheat, when we can roll it into the parking lot.

Everyone lives happily ever-after.




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