Axil,

               I realize that high pressure hydrogen is "presently"
necessary and that the Rossi device is very tolerant of ambient gases. My
posit was that next generation devices may not need as much pressure if
smaller geometries can be accomplished by milling and maintaining the powder
in vacuum. Like Rayney nickel on steroids such a powder would need more than
just wetting  to negate pyrophoricity - It would require a partial vacuum to
keep the bulk material outgassed. An inert gas might prevent combustion but
would later make hydrogen loading difficult. I suspect that surfaces once
exposed to ambient gases remain damaged or contaminated - forever less
active than their potential in vacuum where newly formed powder exposed to
oxygen would combust while sites exposed to inert gases would be simply
contaminated.

 

I understand your opposition to my posit because it is based on scaled down
"inverse" Rydberg material instead of your perspective of much larger scaled
up Rydberg material. Your model is in conflict with those of condensed
matter or clusters and possibly even Casimir effect where your atoms are
trying to grow "larger" as the energy density and available space decrease.
It may even be possible that both types of Rydberg matter exist in some sort
of balanced relationship between the inverse Rydberg in cavities and normal
Rydberg in your "pointed" external surfaces. I am convinced that inside a
cavity the  inverse Rydberg/hydrino/fractional atoms are all interpretations
of a relativistic effect where lower energy density simply makes them appear
smaller -It is actually t' that changes - likewise please consider that your
high energy may not be due to  ds/t but rather  ds/t'. It remains unproved
but I expect both types of Rydberg material only exist from a remote
perspective and that a local observer would see only a normal atom.

Regards

Fran

 

 

 

Axil Axil
Sat, 02 Jul 2011 22:43:35 -0700

Francis wrote,

 

"You said it much better than I and we are almost on the same page even

though you suggest higher hydrogen pressure where I propose keeping the

powder under vacuum so the more active sites don't self destruct from

ambient gases and can be employed under less pressure."

 

 

 

Regarding ambient gases, they are not important; the demo for the Swedes

showed that at initiation of the reaction, the Rossi reactor can tolerate

latent air contamination at ambient pressure within the hydrogen envelope.

 

 

 

 

 

Next, Rossi has said that it is the high hydrogen pressure in his reactor

that is the key to its high productivity.

 

 

 

 

 

He also said that reducing that pressure will kill the reaction.

 

 

 

 

 

Hot high pressure hydrogen is the smoking gun for Rydberg matter.

 

 

 

 

 

High hydrogen pressure is the key to the formation of Rydberg matter. Rossi

has turned Rydberg matter production from a low pressure microscopic local

phenomenon into a high pressure global one expansive throughout the entire

hot hydrogen envelope.

 

 

 

 

 

Rydberg matter production and maintenance needs the high density and kinetic

energy inherent in a hot high pressure hydrogen envelope to first develop,

next to grow in terms of molecular sizes and higher quantum states, and

finally to maintain a very long life cycle.

 

 

 

 

 

It has been experimentally observed recently, ions will accumulate and stick

to bumpy surfaces on the metal powder as well as pack into sub-nano-meter

sized cavities.

 

 

 

 

 

Furthermore, the years long service life of the reaction vessel demonstrates

a lack of surface damage to the metal powder. This suggests to me that the

Rossi reaction can initiate in these accumulations of Rydberg matter on and

immediately around the tops of the nano-powder grain protrusions.

 

 

 

 

 

If the nuclear active sites were found exclusively in nano-holes, these

holes would be destroyed in short order.

 

 

 

 

 

The rigid surface produced by imbedding nano-powder baked into the walls of

his reaction vessel is a key feature in enabling the high reaction

productivity that manifests in his reactor.

 

 

 

 

 

The many high points at the tips of nano-powder grains imbedded in those

walls are where the nuclear action happens.

 

 

 

 

 

For 'would be' Rossi imitators that only heap nano-powder in a pile at the

bottom of their reaction vessel will see few nuclear active sites and low

productivity.

 

 

 

 

 

A old wives tail of past cold fusion development is that hydrogen absorption

triggers the cold fusion reaction.

 

 

 

 

 

If this were true, Rossi's introduction of nano-powder would not be very

effective. But it is the high rigid surface area that nano-powder provides

that does the trick for Rossi.

 

 

 

 

 

Until the many Rossi imitators imbed their powders in the metal walls of

their reaction vessels, their efforts at the end of the day will be

frustrated and unsuccessful.

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 2:09 PM, francis <[email protected]> wrote:

 

>  *Axil,*

> 

> *     You said it much better than I and we are almost on the same page

> even though you suggest higher hydrogen pressure where I propose keeping
the

> powder under vacuum so the more active sites don't self destruct from

> ambient gases and can be employed under less pressure. Our only real

> disagreement is your reference to Rydberg material which IMHO should be

> Inverse Rydberg gas atoms. The destruction of Rydberg material you mention

> is caused by the very geometry supporting their state of existence to

> overheat and relieve the Casimir / stiction forces by growing whiskers

> between the plates or melting closed entirely. Once the Casimir force

> decreases (vacuum energy increases) due to the reduced area of plates in

> Casimir geometry the Rydberg material residing in this region is equally

> translated closer to the energy density outside the remaining Casimir

> geometry. In Mill's terms the hydrino gets smaller with reduced energy

> density up to a min limit of 1/137 as plates get closer and translates
back

> to normal size as the atom translates out of the cavity. According to

> Naudt's this is relativistic and the atom itself is never locally aware of

> any change in scale similar to the paradox twin - it is t' that is
actually

> changing. Note the Rydberg material itself is responsible for overheating

> the geometry by reacting in an asymmetrical way suggested by Moller's MAHG

> where HUP induced random motion of fractional atoms relative to changes in

> plate geometry/energy density causes an endless reversal of the normal

> chemical reaction 2H to H2. A naturally occurring quantum implementation
of

> a Heisenberg trap. Without a moving gas present in the areas of suppressed

> energy density the geometry remains safe from any runaway reactions
powered

> by HUP. Note the MAHG does have a sputtered inner reactor wall as you are

> recommending and Rossi does mention "sputtering" his powder to slightly

> enrich his material but he makes no mention of coating the inner reactor

> wall and leaves the suggestion of a powder simply poured into the reactor

> vessel. If you find any information indicating Rossi in some way coats the

> powder to the reactor walls please share!*

> 

> * *

> 

> *Regards*

> 

> *Fran *

> 

 

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