The 3rd video refers to Levi shutting of the power to the E-Cat and steam
production continuing for 15 minutes. This could easily be explained by thermal
inertia. IE the metal and hydrogen of the E-Cat will still be at a high
temperature when power is shut off therefore boiling will continue at the
previous rate. Since the E-Cat water is at 100C already and the E-Cat is well
insulated I'd expect this E-cat thermal mass heat to decay exponentially
(approx.) toward 100C (according to conduction and convection laws) with a
characteristic time constant. All the tranferred heat should go into making
steam. If we estimate a few kg for mass of reactor and nickel (with some more
for hydrogen; does anyone remember the hydrogen pressure and amount?) and a
heat capacity ~1J/gK then a few kJ per degree could be stored (over a MJ for
several hundred degrees above 100C).
----- Original Message -----
From: Horace Heffner
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The day after Rossi
On Aug 25, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Brief public demos have been repeated 4 times in 8 months, I think. That is
a small number. Anyone would invest in this based on those demos would be
insane, in my opinion.
I am glad we agree on at least some aspect of this.
On Aug 25, 2011, at 9:56 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Daniel Rocha <[email protected]> wrote:
Pretty much the total destruction of all confidence I have in LENR. If so
many competent people in the field were cheated that easily by Rossi, I can
expect much worse from everyone, even in the sense of self deception.
Some questions:
How many competent people in the field are convinced by Rossi? How many
stand to be cheated in any sense?
It is not primarily the people competent in this field that stand to be
cheated if Rossi's device is a fraud or self deception. There are plenty of
people with a lot of money who are scientifically clueless. These are the kind
of people that can be suckered in by scientifically inadequate or even
misleading demos.
As far as I know, you can count them on one hand. A lot of people are
paying close attention. Many, including me, think that the weight of evidence
is in favor of the claims, based on previous Ni-H claims and so on.
You of all people here must know that *belief* based on minimal evidence is
one thing, scientific evidence is another. That is an entirely different
thing. There is abundant evidence that LENR is real, and that scientific study
of it is warranted. There is no reliable published scientific evidence I know
of that demonstrates LENR is commercially viable at this point, and that goes
for Rossi's device especially. In fact there are various red flags with regard
to both Rossi and his claims. I am sure we all look forward to the production
of a 1 MW reactor. If that does not happen then it will be very difficult to
obtain investors or political support from legislatures to fund badly needed
research. *Everyone* stands to lose from that. There could even be
unnecessary resource wars and famine because of that.
Some people from outside the field say they are convinced, such as Levi,
and E&K. They have actually performed tests themselves so they can judge the
issue better than most people, and they have more reason to be convinced. If I
had observed the 18-hour test in person, I would probably be 100% convinced. (I
would also have reported it in much more detail than Levi has done, but that's
another story.)
[snip]
- Jed
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
