Dear Jorn, Please accept my renewed thanks- I am waiting to see how mature is the 1MW demo. peter
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Jorn Erik Ommang <[email protected]> wrote: > Dr. Peter Gluck, > > Further to Your question: > > The 1 MW “Container Energy Catalyser” (ContainerCat) Power Plant in its > present form generate heath in the form of steam / hot water. As a thermal > power plant it can be made to generate space & water heating for factories > and buildings. > > However, to put this revolutionary New Energy power plant into the present > energy-marked perspective it is best to compare it with a CHP (combined heat > & power) plant when it (in the near future) is combined with a steam to > el-power converting system in addition to delivering heat for usable heating > purposes. > See: *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_heat_and_power > * > On cost comparison it is best to compare the 1 MW E-Cat Power Plant to CHP > generated by natural gas. The most economic future E-Cat 1 MW Container > Power Plant will be a *Cogeneration* (*combined heat and power*, *CHP*) > that simultaneously generate both electricity and useful heat. > See: *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_power > * > Some of Your question can be answer as: > The energy efficiency of a conventional thermal power station, considered > as saleable energy as a percent of the heating value of the fuel consumed, > is typically 33% to 48%. > > And, yes the EU site is a good source for most anything on energy > statistics in EU, including real facts on the ridiculous low efficiency > factor for the expensive & highly subsidised Offshore Wind Farms now being > constructed in the UK (Wind Farms is like energy living on social security, > “they can not stay on their own one feet”. > > > Sincerely, > > Jorn-Erik Ommang, engineer > New Energy Specialist to major oil, gas & energy companies > Enerley.com > > > On 28/10/2011 14:41, "Peter Gluck" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you very much for your detailed and welll docunented answer. > Let's waith the global results of the Demo for the most relevant > calculation. > > In your experience and not on;y for Italy what are the price ratios > electric energy/thermal energy? > Peter > > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Jorn Erik Ommang <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dr. Peter Gluck, > > Further to Your comment. > > The need for semi-continuous electrical heating of the many E-Cats in the I > MW “Container-Cat” is, at the moment, the largest running cost in addition > to the low-cost fuel (6 month running period) represented by the 10 kg > modified nickel micro powder and the 18 kg of hydrogen gas and some small > power for the frequency modulator. > > In the lowest heath generating modus (the 1 to 6 energy gain) the maximum > el-power heating requirement is around 167 kWh which over 6 month running > time represent 180 x 24 = 4320 hours. At 167 kWh this adds up to 721440 kWh. > In Italy this amount of el-power for an industrial consumer will cost: > 721440 kWh x Euro 0,1331 = 96023 Euro. > > Even though Mr. Andrea Rossi informed me that the 167 kWh for resistor > heating was necessary to run the I MW E-Cat Container, today's major test in > Bologna will show how this in real life is functioning. He might start > groups of 6 E-Cats units at the time for each of the two 500 kW E-cat groups > that makes up the I MW E-Cat Container. > > It is now, based on the 10 former E-Cat tests performed earlier, certain > that Rossi's E-Cat technology generates excess heat from the “low nuclear > energy reactions (LNER)” (a process that very well, in the near future, will > show it self to be more of a Quantum / ZPE / Rydberg type process then a > general “cold fusion” reaction). The sceptics that still state the the E-Cat > do not generate excess heat are just not well enough informed or do not > simply accept facts that does not fit with their “believe system”. > > To get the 1 MW “Container Cat” prototype to run commercially it is > necessary to run it on a much higher energy ratio than a present 1 to 6 (due > to that it is el-power in and just heat out). Earlier tests have indicated > that much higher energy ratios are highly possible and have been shown, as > has running in self contained mode without el-power heating of resistors for > long periods of time been demonstrated. > > We should also not forget that there are a number of other developers / > companies (in addition to Andrea Rossi / Leonardo Corp.) that are stating > real results & great energy generation possibilities with much similar > energy generating processes. > > > We will see from today's major 1 MW E-Cat test in Bologna what the present > ratio between el-power in and heat out will be. > > For the calculation the following present el-power prices in Italy have bee > used: > > *End-user energy prices for industrial consumers.* > Italy € 0.1331 > Ref: http://www.energy.eu/#Industrial-Elec < > http://www.energy.eu/#Industrial-Elec> > > *Retail (end-user) energy prices for households. > *Italy € 0.2568 > Ref: http://www.energy.eu/#Domestic-Elec < > http://www.energy.eu/#Domestic-Elec> > > Sincerely, > > Jorn-Erik Ommang, engineer > New Energy Specialist to major oil, gas & energy companies > Enerley.com > > > > On 27/10/2011 20:56, "Peter Gluck" <[email protected] < > http://[email protected]> > wrote: > > Can you please give some price limits for > 167 kWh electric energy and > 1000 kWh thermal energy, say carried by steam 115 deg Celsius? > > Thanks, > Peter > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Jorn Erik Ommang <[email protected] < > http://[email protected]> > wrote: > > RUNNING COST FOR THE 1MW E-Cat: > > A lot have been written the last 2 days (on E-Cat blogs & web sites) about > the running cost of the 1 MW E-Cat Power Plant that has only focused on the > cost of the nickel & hydrogen fuel used. > > One should not forget that the I MW E-Cat Power Plant will not run in > self-sustained mode due to safety issues. > > There will be a general minimum 1 to 6 gain in energy from the plant. > I.e. the 1 MW E-Cat Power Plant will require a maximum of 167 kWh to run > during the 6 months. > > So in addition to the fuel cost of 10 kg modified Nickel micro powder and > 18 kg hydrogen gas one need to add the cost of purchasing 167 kWh for each > hour the plant is running during the 6 months. This el-power running cost is > much larger than the cost of the Nickel / Hydrogen fuel used. > > Se today's recent Andrea Rossi answer to my questions re. running cost of > the 1 MW E-Cat Power Plant: > > Jorn Erik Ommang > October 26th, 2011 at 3:50 PM > Dear Andrea Rossi, > > Congratulation from Norway, Spain & UK! > > 1.0 Is it correct that Your 1 MW E-Cat Container will require a maximum of > 167 kW in el-power to run and generate the 1 MW of heath (a minimum 1 to 6 > energy gain) (1 to 6 energy gain = 167 kW el-power in and 1 MW heat out)? > > 2.0 Will the cost of this el-power (maximum 167 kWh for 6 months) come in > addition to the cost for fuel (10 kg nickel & 18 kg hydrogen pr. 6 months)? > > I have been working as consultant in New Energy (since 1994) for management > of Oil and Energy Companies in Norway (including Europe’s largest renewable > energy company) as well as work the Government. The Consultant work has > included training top management in what will come in the clean new energy > field and have followed Your great work for a long time. Have also long time > experience as Project Manager in the Norwegian Oil & Gas Industry and as > technical auditor for Shell & Statoil. > > 3.0 I am interested in linking Norwegian, Spanish and UK Oil, Gas and > Energy Companies to Your products to prepare for when Your revolutionary > products come on the marked. Please advice how best to contact You for my > contacts within these areas for purchasing MW-units and licenses. > > 4.0 Have You chosen the date of 28.09.2011 for Your demo for a special > reason (i.e. are You aware that this date is one of the major dates for > positive changes in alternative thinking)? > > All the best with Fridays major demonstration, verification & testing > > Sincerely, > > Jorn-Erik Ommang, Engineer > New Energy Specialist > Enerley.com > Spain / Norway / UK > > > Andrea Rossi answered: > October 27th, 2011 at 3:47 AM > Dear Jorn Erik Ommang: > 1- yes > 2- yes > 3- OK > 4- Just a case > Warm Regards, > A.R. > > > > > > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
