On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Jed Rothwell <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mary Yugo <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Of course nothing. But there is a lot wrong with misleading and >> deceptive advertising. >> > > Rossi has not done any advertising as far as I know. Perhaps you are > talking about Steorn. > Well, Rossi's site is advertising and to me, much of it seems misleading and deceptive, as much by what it omits as by what it says. > > Also with saying you sold something when you didn't. >> > > Do you have any reason to think that Rossi has not sold the reactor, as he > claims? Do you have any reason to think the Fioravanti is not an HVAC > engineer, as he claims? Everyone who has talked to him is convinced that he > is. > > Please do not make unfounded accusations here. > If everyone is to take everyone else at their word for what they say they sold and for what they claim they can do, the world will not be a better place! Nobody has reason to think Rossi sold anything other than what Rossi said. And Rossi constantly lies and misstates things and says bizarre things as you will be the first to admit and have said. I don't know anything about Fioravanti. I am less concerned that he may not be an HVAC engineer than about the possibility that he works for Rossi and will say whatever Rossi wants him to. That's a concern. I admit I have no evidence. However the method for conducting the tests -- running the big generator and not letting any of the invited reporters and scientists see anything of probative value supports my suspicions. There is no valid reason I know of for not allowing at least representatives of the press and scientists see and verify the operating parameters of the megawatt plant while running. And if Rossi lies about a lot of things, he could well be lying about the sale. I cannot understand this attitude that Rossi should do whatever *you* say, >>> or Mary Yugo says, even though what you want him to do would ruin his >>> business. I wish he would do as I say only because I think it would be >>> bring him more money, and it would bring cold fusion to the world more >>> quickly >>> >> >> So how does selling a bundle of 50+ sample reactors help him keep a >> secret? How does doing this 10 -12 times in the coming year help? >> > > You seem to have missed my point. Let me repeat myself: > > These things are for Rossi to decide. Not us. This is *his* business, and > his alone. > Well then maybe we should all shut up about what Rossi says, does and has. I was giving an opinion the same as you and many other people do. I think I know how a legitimate scientist and businessman who has what Rossi claims to have would most likely behave. He doesn't behave that way in any manner, shape or form. That makes me suspicious. That's the summary of what I've said. What part do you object to other than that we have different opinions about it? > If I were him, not having patent protection, I would not know what to do. > No matter who you sell to it could end badly. If you don't sell at all, it > ends badly. He is between a rock and a hard place. > I don't know a lot about patents but patent specialists have told Rossi publicly that if he disclosed more about the invention, he could get patent protection that would be effective. If he chooses not to do that, his invention will be copied if it works, regardless of claims of self-destruct devices and other similar nonsense. The lesser of the evils is disclosure. > > >> Capitalism would not work if they did. Without capitalism we would all >>> live in poverty. >>> >> >> Agreed. For all the good it will do in helping to determine whether >> Rossi's machine is real or a scam. >> > > First principle physics has already proved it is real. You have not come > up with any reasons to question that proof. You are scrambling to find some > reason to ignore the laws of physics instead. You want us to look at Rossi > business strategy, or his personality, or the order form, or the web site > software or aesthetics . . . ANYTHING to change the subject and not face > facts. > We don't differ on laws of physics but on how to interpret the experiments and results obtained with Rossi's machines. That Rossi has used first principle physics to prove it's real is your opinion and you're entitled to it but that doesn't make it fact and many people disagree. The peripheral features you noted that I attend to enhance the possibility of a scam in my view. The main reasons I doubt Rossi have already been stated many times and I won't bore people again by mentioning them. > It seems likely to me that the mechanisms of the free market will also > determine the truth about Rossi's machine. If several machines are sold and > customers are clamoring for them, that will prove they are real. But we > don't need the free market. We already know that a 30 L vessel of water > cannot stay at boiling temperatures for 4 hours, and we already know there > cannot be any hidden wires or stage magic tricks. > I don't agree and I have said how the points can be proven unequivocally. Rossi won't do any of those things and gives no reasonable excuse for not doing so. I agree if machines are sold to credible customers, it will prove the issue one way or another fairly soon. Let's hope it happens soon in a way that can be verified.
