So where is the data obtained from the mass spec data taken by U. Padua? Is it in the paper, "A. Carnera, S. Focardi, A. Rossi, to be published on Arxiv"
________________________________ From: Jed Rothwell <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 7:04 PM Subject: [Vo]:Defkalion described how they got Rossi's formula Here is an article published in November: "Defkalion: 'We have Rossi’s formula'" http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3353181.ece I should have paid closer attention to this. In this article, Xanthoulis says they got the formula from mass spec data taken by U. Padua. I think the data is here, in a paper linked to this article: http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3358646.ece/BINARY/Rossi-Focardi_paper.pdf They say they did not directly examine powder from Rossi. Assuming that is true, I think their work would be considered developed independently, like a PC compatible BIOS in 1980. They still have to pay royalties in the event Rossi gets a patent, but it would not be theft of intellectual property. In the early 1980s companies developed BIOS's with groups of programmers who had never seen IBM's source code or program notes. They developed it by observing program behavior. As I recall, BIOS was protected only by copyrights back then, not patents, so an independently developed version was free and clear. As I said, with a patent they would need to pay royalties no matter what, even if you independently discover something. When Ford tried to develop a hybrid car, they kept running into Toyota's patents for the Prius, and in the end decided to license them. This article also describes Defkalion's version of the issue that led to a falling out with Rossi: "According to Xanthoulis, Rossi could not run the reaction more than 24 hours, and when Defkalion required a 48 hour test it supposedly led to a conflict with Rossi. 'It’s very simple but they didn’t think about it. (...) We solved the problem. Because the problem is that he cannot spread the reaction all over the pipe, and all the heating is concentrated in the middle', Xanthoulis told Ny Teknik." I took a second look at this article because I was surprised by this statement in the recent Wired UK article, and I am trying track it down: "However, Defkalion spokesman Alexandros Xanthoulis told Swedish science magazine NyTeknik that they know exactly what the catalyst is. In a piece of subterfuge, a spectroscopic examination was carried out on an E-Cat being while it was being tested without Rossi's knowledge. However, to maintain 'fair play', Defkalion's scientists say they developed their technology without using this information." I still do not know what this refers to. The tests at U. Padua were conducted with Rossi's knowledge. Perhaps this is a misinterpretation. If there was subterfuge, it is no wonder Rossi is upset. - Jed
