I see Vorl Bek is over on Vortex B talking to the Grok thing. He/she wrote "The 'green' people completely ignore our insanely large population" thus proving beyond doubt that he/she knows absolutely nothing and just makes stuff up. Even more laughably, they also promote wattsupwiththat.com - the biggest anti-science disinformation and propaganda site on the internet - as some sort of authority! Nick Palmer
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