I've gone thru just about all of Volume 1 of Santilli's 'Il Grande Grido'... all 450+ pages. Quite interesting... it is a collection of all the correspondence between Santilli and various universities, nat'l labs, and scientists, from ~1977 to '83. Thankfully, not many equations! :-)
Santilli is basically saying that there is no real evidence that quarks are point-particles. Quarks are the subatomic 'particles' which make up hadrons which are 'composite' particles (e.g., protons and neutrons). His work on applying Lie-admissible algebras to the internal structure of hadrons was at first considered 'epoch-making'... but his escalating efforts to try to get the hadron theoretical community to take it seriously began to rub people the wrong way and he became an outcast. He then established the "Hadronic Journal" to allow physicists, mathematicians and other scientists an outlet for their work on hadrons. According to him, his and others' theoretical work regarding the applicability of Special Relativity, Pauli Exclusion and Heisenberg's uncertainty, which are applied and have considerable empirical support for electromagnetic forces, have little or no unambiguous evidence that they can be applied to the strong force (within hadrons). In addition, apparently, several mathematicians have proven that there are some serious problems when trying to apply those laws to structures inside of hadrons. Fran and Jones: FYI, I believe I also read in one of the letters that these problems also apply to the Casimir force... What's interesting here is that *IF* the testing of his hadronic reactor (which started this thread thanks to Harry Veeder) is accurate, and two independent labs apparently confirmed what Santilli was expecting, then he may have not only proved that his theoretical model for hadrons is more accurate, but also achieved the equivalent of LENR. In which case, Rossi and all other LENR researchers are working with an inferior model of the nucleus! Geez, just when you thought times couldn't get any more interesting... -Mark -----Original Message----- From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:01 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Mock paper Well, at least Santilli is a degreed physicist with considerable credentials from places like MIT and Harvard; the following Bio is from his Wikipedia page: ========================= Santilli studied physics at the University of Naples and went on to attend the Graduate School in Physics of the University of Turin, graduating in 1966. While studying for his Ph.D., Santilli was granted the Chair in Nuclear Physics at the Avogardo Technical Institute in Turin, Italy. In 1967 he was invited by the University of Miami to conduct research under NASA financial support. Starting in 1968, Santilli was an Associate Professor of Physics at Boston University, teaching physics and mathematics and conducted research for the United States Air Force. During this time, he became a naturalized American citizen. In August 1974 to August 1977, Santilli was a visiting scholar at the Center for Theoretical Physics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. From September 1977 to August 1981, he was a visiting scholar at the Department of Mathematics, Harvard University under Department of Energy funding jointly with Shlomo Sternberg. ========================= -Mark -----Original Message----- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:35 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mock paper If this is true then don't you think Santilli's claims are even more extravagant (to use one of M. Y.' s favorite adjectives) than Rossi's claims? harry On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net> wrote: > Did a quick read of entire paper... > > Santilli has been around quite awhile, and is a Ph.D. physicist; check > out the Wikipedia page on him. The paper is describing his recent > tests with his 'hadronic reactor', which is based on his own theories. > Apparently, two independent labs were used to analyze the elemental > composition of the electrodes before and after each test, and the > content of the gases used inside, before and after. Both electrode > and gas showed the expected elemental changes. The reactor produce > considerable heat which is used to produce steam. In one test, heat > production was so intense that it had to be shut down after only a few > seconds; or it might have tripped a pressure relief valve first and > then was shut down. He is claiming nuclear reactions with no harmful radiation... > > -Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:12 PM > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mock paper > > Would someone tell me if this a sincere paper? Perhaps I have grown > cynical over the last year, because of Rossi's dismissal of scientific > practice and the new level of secrecy surrounding LENR research, but > I'm remain very skeptical. To me the pictures look like dummy > apparatuses which mock Rossi work. > I have been told that "lie" could be a short hand for lie-algebra, but > it looks like a double entendre. > Also the numerous references of independent verifications sounds like > a cliche, and I role my eyes whenever someone propose a new kind of > matter and names it after themselves. > > Harry > > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Harry Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote: >> A pretend paper mocking LENR research. >> Harry >> >> PROCEEDINGS OF THE THIRD INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON LIE-ADMISSIBLE >> TREATMENT OF IRREVERSIBLE PROCESSES (ICLATIP - 3) Kathmandu >> University, Nepal, April (2011) pages 163-177 >> >> http://www.santilli-foundation.org/docs/ICNF-3.pdf >> >
