On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 06:30:48AM +0300, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > > Actually, Fiscaletti and Sorli did not invent anything new, but they just > reinvented Lorentz's theory of relativity from the early 1900's. It is > exactly the same theory that I was here using to explain the supposed > neutrino speed anomaly. (that was mostly ignored or misunderstood, because > people in general does not have cognitive tools to understand Lorentz's > theory of relativity) > > That is that length contractions are not necessary, but everything that has > been observed, can be explained if just time dilatation is assumed.
Length contraction and time dilatation are equivalent, are they not? -X > As it follows from this that time dilatation is absolute in nature (it > depends only on the speed relative to Ether i.e. the local dominant gravity > field), the speed of light seems to get faster and faster from a perspective > of observer. Lorentz explained this that all three spatial lengths are > contracting in the universe, but this length contraction is of course only > subjective observation. As the observer's clock is slowing down, it looks > like lengths are contracting due to speed of light is gaining speed, because > inertialess photons are not bound to the moving inertial frame of reference. > And if lengths are defined as how far light travels in time interval, it > appears that lengths are measured to be shorter. > > —Jouni > > > On 17 Apr 2012, at 06:20, Rich Murray <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Physicists continue work to abolish time as fourth dimension of space, > > Amrit Sorli and Davide Fiscaletti, founders of the Space Life > > Institute in Slovenia, Physics Essays 2012.04.03: Rich Murray > > 2012.04.16 > > > > http://phys.org/news/2012-04-physicists-abolish-fourth-dimension-space.html > > > > April 14, 2012 by Lisa Zyga > > > > Light clocks A and B moving horizontally through space. > > According to length contraction, clock A should tick faster than clock B. > > In a new study, scientists argue that there is no length contraction, > > and both clocks should tick at the same rate in accordance with > > special relativity. > > Image credit: Sorli and Fiscaletti. > > > > (Phys.org) -- Philosophers have debated the nature of time long before > > Einstein and modern physics. > > But in the 106 years since Einstein, the prevailing view in physics > > has been that time serves as the fourth dimension of space, an arena > > represented mathematically as 4D Minkowski spacetime. > > However, some scientists, including Amrit Sorli and Davide Fiscaletti, > > founders of the Space Life Institute in Slovenia, argue that time > > exists completely independent from space. > > In a new study, Sorli and Fiscaletti have shown that two phenomena of > > special relativity -- time dilation and length contraction -- can be > > better described within the framework of a 3D space with time as the > > quantity used to measure change (i.e., photon motion) in this space. > > > > The scientists have published their article in a recent issue of Physics > > Essays. > > The work builds on their previous articles, in which they have > > investigated the definition of time as a “numerical order of material > > change.” > > > > The main concepts of special relativity -- that the speed of light is > > the same in all inertial reference frames, and that there is no > > absolute reference frame -- are traditionally formulated within the > > framework of Minkowski spacetime. > > In this framework, the three spatial dimensions are intuitively > > visualized, while the time dimension is mathematically represented by > > an imaginary coordinate, and cannot be visualized in a concrete way. > > In their paper, Sorli and Fiscaletti argue that, while the concepts of > > special relativity are sound, the introduction of 4D Minkowski > > spacetime has created a century-long misunderstanding of time as the > > fourth dimension of space that lacks any experimental support. > > They argue that well-known time dilation experiments, such as those > > demonstrating that clocks do in fact run slower in high-speed > > airplanes than at rest, support special relativity and time dilation > > but not necessarily Minkowski spacetime or length contraction. > > According to the conventional view, clocks run slower at high speeds > > due to the nature of Minkowski spacetime itself as a result of both > > time dilation and length contraction. But Sorli and Fiscaletti argue > > that the slow clocks can better be described by the relative velocity > > between the two reference frames, which the clocks measure, not which > > the clocks are a part of. > > In this view, space and time are two separate entities. > > > > “With clocks we measure the numerical order of motion in 3D space,” > > Sorli told Phys.org. > > “Time is 'separated' from space in a sense that time is not a fourth > > dimension of space. > > Instead, time as a numerical order of change exists in a 3D space. > > Our model on space and time is founded on measurement and corresponds > > better to physical reality.” > > > > To illustrate the difference between the two views of time, Sorli and > > Fiscaletti consider an experiment involving two light clocks. > > Each clock's ticking mechanism consists of a photon being reflected > > back and forth between two mirrors, so that a photon's path from one > > mirror to the other represents one tick of the clock. > > The clocks are arranged perpendicular to each other on a platform, > > with clock A oriented horizontally and clock B vertically. > > When the platform is moved horizontally at a high speed, then > > according to the length contraction phenomenon in 4D spacetime, clock > > A should shrink so that its photon has a shorter path to travel, > > causing it to tick faster than clock B. > > But Sorli and Fiscaletti argue that the length contraction of clock A > > and subsequent difference in the ticking rates of clocks A and B do > > not agree with special relativity, which postulates that the speed of > > light is constant in all inertial reference frames. > > They say that, keeping the photon speed the same for both clocks, both > > clocks should tick at the same rate with no length contraction for > > clock A. > > They mathematically demonstrate how to resolve the problem in this way > > by replacing Minkowski 4D spacetime with a 3D space involving Galilean > > transformations for three spatial coordinates X, Y, and Z, and a > > mathematical equation (Selleri's formalism) for the transformation of > > the velocity of material change, which is completely independent of > > the spatial coordinates. > > > > Sorli explained that this idea that both photon clocks tick at the > > same rate is not at odds with the experiments with flying clocks and > > other tests that have measured time dilation. > > This difference, he says, is due to a difference between photon clocks > > and atom-based clocks. > > “The rate of photon clocks in faster inertial systems will not slow > > down with regard to the photon clocks in a rest inertial system > > because the speed of light is constant in all inertial systems,” he > > said. > > “The rate of atom clocks will slow down because the 'relativity' of > > physical phenomena starts at the scale of pi mesons.” > > > > He also explained that, without length contraction, time dilation > > exists but in a different way than usually thought. > > “Time dilatation exists not in the sense that time as a fourth > > dimension of space dilates and as a result the clock rate is slower,” > > he explained. > > “Time dilatation simply means that, in a faster inertial system, the > > velocity of change slows down and this is valid for all observers. > > GPS confirms that clocks in orbit stations have different rates from > > the clocks on the surface of the planet, and this difference is valid > > for observers that are on the orbit station and on the surface of the > > planet. > > So interpreted, 'time dilatation' does not require 'length > > contraction,' which as we show in our paper leads to a contradiction > > by the light clocks differently positioned in a moving inertial > > system.” > > > > He added that the alternative definition of time also agrees with the > > notion of time held by the mathematician and philosopher Kurt Gödel. > > “The definition of time as a numerical order of change in space is > > replacing the 106-year-old concept of time as a physical dimension in > > which change runs,” Sorli said. “We consider time being only a > > mathematical quantity of change that we measure with clocks. > > > > This is in accord with a Gödel view of time. > > By 1949, Gödel had produced a remarkable proof: > > 'In any universe described by the theory of relativity, time cannot exist.' > > > > Our research confirms Gödel's vision: > > time is not a physical dimension of space through which one could > > travel into the past or future.” > > > > In the future, Sorli and Fiscaletti plan to investigate how this view > > of time fits with the broader surroundings. > > They note that other researchers have investigated abolishing the idea > > of spacetime in favor of separate space and time entities, but often > > suggest that this perspective is best formulated within the framework > > of an ether, a physical medium permeating all of space. > > > > In contrast, Sorli and Fiscaletti think that the idea can be better > > modeled within the framework of a 3D quantum vacuum. > > Rather than viewing space as a medium that carries light, light's > > propagation is governed by the electromagnetic properties (the > > permeability and permittivity) of the quantum vacuum. > > > > “We are developing a mathematical model where gravity is a result of > > the diminished energy density of a 3D quantum vacuum caused by the > > presence of a given stellar object or material body,” Sorli said. > > “Inertial mass and gravitational mass have the same origin: diminished > > energy density of a quantum vacuum. > > This model gives exact calculations for the Mercury perihelion > > precession as calculations of the general theory of relativity.” > > > > More information: Amrit Sorli and Davide Fiscaletti. “Special theory > > of relativity in a three-dimensional Euclidean space.” Physics Essays: > > March 2012, Vol. 25, No. 1, pp. 141-143. DOI: > > 10.4006/0836-1398-25.1.141 > > © 2012 Phys.Org > > > > Physics Essays > > March 2012, Vol. 25, No. 1, pp. 141-143 > > $ 25 to access for 30 days > > > > Journal Information > > ISSN 0836-1398 > > Frequency > > Quarterly > > > > Register for a Profile > > Not Yet Registered? > > > > Benefits of Registration Include: > > A Unique User Profile that will allow you to manage your current > > subscriptions (including online access) > > > > The ability to create favorites lists down to the article level > > > > The ability to customize email alerts to receive specific > > notifications about the topics you care most about and special offers > > Register Now! > > > > Full-text PDF > > Article Citation: > > > > Amrit Sorli and Davide Fiscaletti (2012) > > Special theory of relativity in a three-dimensional Euclidean space. > > Physics Essays: March 2012, Vol. 25, No. 1, pp. 141-143. > > doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.4006/0836-1398-25.1.141 > > Special theory of relativity in a three-dimensional Euclidean space > > > > Amrit Sorli a) and Davide Fiscaletti b) > > Space Life Institute, > > Gorenja Trebuša 79, > > Slap ob Idrijci 5283, Slovenia > > > > Abstract: > > > > In the 20th century, physicists have understood space and time as > > being coupled into a space-time manifold, a fundamental arena in which > > everything takes place. > > Space-time was considered to have three spatial dimensions and one > > temporal dimension. > > Out of the experimental facts, one can conclude that time t we measure > > with clocks is only a numerical order of duration of motion, i.e. > > material change in a three-dimensional space. > > This view allows description of electromagnetic phenomena in a > > three-dimensional Euclidean space. > > > > Résumé: > > Au cours du 20ème siècle, la physique comprenait l'espace et le temps > > comme étant jumelés en “espace-temps” variés, une arène fondamentale > > où tout prend place. > > On croyait espace-temps avoir trois dimensions spatiales et une > > dimension temporelle. > > À partir des données expérimentales on peut conclure que le temps t -- > > mesuré au moyen d'horloges -- n'est qu'un ordre numérique de durée de > > motion, c'est-à-dire changement matériel dans un espace > > tridimensionnel. > > Ce point de vue rend possible la description de phénomènes > > électromagnétiques dans un espace d'Euclide tridimensionnel. > > > > Key words: Space-Time, Space, Time, Numerical Order of Motion, Photon > > > > Received: October 5, 2011; Accepted: January 13, 2012 ;Published > > Online: April 3, 2012 > > > > a) [email protected] > > b) [email protected] > > >
