On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Craig Haynie <[email protected]>wrote:

>
> When we make an exception for government and say, well we know that
> violence, threats of violence, and aggression are wrong, and while we would
> never practice these things in our personal relationships, but then we
> allow government to have an exception and use aggression, then we open the
> door for every type of aggression that people in power can dream up. It's
> this very idea that we 'should' use aggression in certain cases, which lead
> to all the wars, debt, inflation, taxation, and the blossoming police state
> today. It all comes from the idea that government is exempt from moral law,
> and when people on this list start presenting their political opinions,
> I'll then point out that they are making a moral exception for their
> special programs.


There's the libertarian view (1), which is represented above, as well as a
common conservative view which has been discussed which opposes the
"picking of winners" (2), and a common liberal view embodied in the
excellent points that Jed has been making (3).

To (1), the complaint about the government using the threat force to
extract taxes is fanciful.  As has been suggested, you can move to Somalia
or Afghanistan if you prefer.  There you will learn that when the
government doesn't have a monopoly on violence, ordinary people are likely
to resort to what is called "self-help," or vigilante justice, and where
that doesn't exist there's simply violence imposed by the strong upon the
weak.  I would take government enforcement of laws over self-help any day.
 Most people would.  When enough people feel that way they band together
and create constitutional democracies.  Then they vote for representatives
to form a government, and the government starts doing things on their
behalf that they are unable to do individually.  Since some people are
knuckleheads, you need some form of coercion to keep things from reverting
to a state of nature.

To (2), I think there's something to this, but unfortunately it's mixed up
with a bunch of charged energy that feeds into the (US) election cycle.
 What was simply a bad call, and a legitimate even then, has been puffed up
into a worldview.  The extreme version of this argument is hypocritical,
because conservative administrations are just as likely to pick winners as
liberal ones are -- Haliburton is one example.  This hypocrisy is
unfortunate, because it blunts the force of a complaint that has some
legitimacy -- I really do think there's scope to dial back government
involvement in certain wasteful investments.  And I'm very interested to
see where the various x-prizes that are starting to become more common go.

To (3), concerning the essential role of government investment in
scientific and technological development, I would add that there needs to
be regulation (light, simple regulation, along with rolling back of much
unnecessary regulation) to give prices to externalities that private
enterprises will assuredly ignore without some kind of price signal.  We
could possibly benefit from a carbon market or something like it, for
example, to translate the problems that greenhouse gases are likely to give
rise to in the medium term into something that profit-seeking corporations
can understand and optimize during the next quarter.  Providing small but
effective price signals is a very important role of government.

Eric

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