One point about high temperature LENR that is very important is the ability
of a 1000C reactor to efficiently produce hydrogen through a simple
chemical cycle.
Hydrogen is required to crack heavy crude into a “sweet” crude product.
Pumping H2 down a well hole is the best way to reduce the viscosity of the
crude by refining it in the hole.


Cheers:   Axil


On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> wrote:

> Caveat:  ... just finished watching the fabulous BBC series "State of Play"
> which is fiction, of course, but so close to perceived reality that the
> oil-tainted message "resistance is futile" comes through loud and clear ...
> U-EX is the Borg. Get used to it and submit. AYBABTU !
>
> Looking at the 'big picture' geopolitically, and starting with the
> assumption that in 2012 a person or group, but probably not Rossi or DGT,
> will introduce an independently validated, robust and replicable version of
> Ni-H in prototype form (none of which criteria are met thus far, despite
> hints and claims).... here is the utopian/dystopian tradeoff that is
> emerging from looking at the implications of this development.
>
> First - the belief that this technology is not fully compatible with oil is
> completely misguided, if not ironic. In fact, it is very likely that the
> biggest early users of LENR, possibly the exclusive early users, will be
> the
> oil-shale and tar sands industry in the USA and Canada, and especially in
> the Orinoco tar belt of Venezuela.
>
> BTW - Together these previously out-of-reach  petroleum resource offer
> triple the capacity of ALL of the World's present day conventional oil
> reserves !!!! All you need to get 4 trillion barrels of thick, gooey gunk
> to
> market is ... ta da... cheap heat. Otherwise, it is tar.
>
> Sure, if LENR were to come out of the gates as a safe, mature and ready
> source of electrical power, with zero radiation threat and at a net cost
> lower than oil, then the new technology would supplant petroleum
> eventually,
> but not quickly. That will take decades, even if prototype LENR does happen
> this year. It always takes many years to go from prototype to mass market,
> and "sunk costs" and inertia are a huge issue for supplanting any old
> technology. In the meantime there could be a nasty compromise.
>
> It takes capital to get to market, and it is no secret who has most of the
> available investment capital as well as the largest potential need for
> thermal energy (if that energy can be placed in a deep hole to make tar
> pumpable) ... not to mention the political connections. Now, who would that
> be? If you guessed the shale, heavy oil and tar-sands industry, then move
> to
> the head of the geopolitical class. Plus, they do not mind if it is
> slightly
> radioactive since it is going in a well.
>
> Many LENR advocates, naively seem to think that Big Oil wants to kill the
> new technology, when on the contrary they will embrace it, invest heavily
> in
> it, and become the biggest customer for decades. A more careful appraisal
> of
> the future situation, based on probabilities and economic realities, would
> include the following facts and assumptions, all of which are defensible.
>
> 1)      The cheapest old oil can be produced for very little cost, but is
> declining in availability. It provides lots of cash flow which ideally
> would
> go into replacement resources, if there were any.
> 2)      Most new oil (from shale, tar or offshore wells, etc) has a high
> production cost, often a factor of 20 times more than the old, onshore
> wells. Only one segment of high cost oil can employ LENR to expedite its
> production, creating an internal problem for OPEC.
> 3)      The cheap heat from LENR should make new oil from tar extremely
> competitive, and could destroy the offshore oil business. Being able to
> drop
> a small reactor into a hole and use copious heat to soften the tar so that
> it can be pumped - wow - this turns the tables on all prior economic
> assumptions.
> 4)      This is a new paradigm, which segments of the industry will embrace
> and others will ignore. There could a future internal schism of major
> proportions in Big Oil - based on the availability of LENR to expedite tar
> and shale.
> 5)      Fossil fuel production from well-to-road produces massive tax
> revenue. This is true even if the industry also receives lots of tax
> breaks.
> Politicians always favor proved tax revenue flow over alternatives. No help
> there for LENR.
> 6)      There are possibly half a billion motor vehicles burning fossil
> fuel, world-wide, with at least ten years of useful life remaining. This is
> a sunk cost.
> 7)      Most consumers with $20k to $30k of value invested in a vehicle
> will
> not abandon that vehicle, or abandon oil, to save a thousand per year in
> fuel cost - even if the comparative fuel cost for LENR was zero. The
> overhead of LENR will be substantial. The tree-hugger market is
> insufficient.
> 8)      The unholy combination of the supply and profit cushion of low cost
> old oil, the sunk cost of half a billion oil-burners, and the high tax
> revenue, means that LENR cannot penetrate that market effectively, no
> matter
> how clean it is. Thus anyone with this technology will be primed for
> takeover by oil companies, but NOT to suppress it: instead to embrace it.
> 9)      With the advent of LENR, Venezuela can become the next Saudi
> Arabia,
> or even a mini-OPEC. That may not be a good thing. Venezuela has way over a
> trillion barrels of tar near the surface, and the reserves are close to
> ocean transport, and are said to be understated to keep out foreign
> interference. Athabasca Oil Sands are larger, but deeper and harder to pump
> and more costly to get to market.
> 10)     In conclusion, the biggest initial market for LENR should be for
> heavy oil production and it could revolutionize the industry. Cheap thermal
> output and small reactor size to heat and pump heavy oil and tar from
> wells,
> that otherwise are of low value make this almost inevitable. There will be
> no problem with regulations, as in consumer markets.
> 11)     However, how many observers really appreciate this dynamic in its
> full implications? Are we courting Venezuela the way we should?
> 12)     LOL - just the opposite. Is Big Oil pushing for a South American
> Iraq War based on eliminating Chavismo?
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chavismo)
>
> All in all, despite the non-sensible claims of there being a large consumer
> market for LENR, this will most likely not materialize in the coming
> decade,
> at least not as long as tar-sands and oil shale can be tapped to supply the
> huge sunk cost of oil burners.
>
> As you might imagine - this scenario is turning into a horrible nightmare
> for ecology and idealists who want to see the end of fossil fuel.
> Unfortunately, the only solution is political - but that makes it even more
> frightening. AYBABTU !
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