OK, I played a bit more with the model to see if this sort of behavior was 
demonstrated.  Actually it was relatively easy to incorporate a mechanism that 
did the trick.

I reviewed the picture of the Rossi test cylinder and realized that the surface 
of the device was radiating the heat that was being generated within.  This 
implied a forth order energy release mechanism due to the blackbody radiation 
equation.  I added a heat energy sink that absorbed the output in proportion to 
the forth power of the absolute temperature and adjusted the second order term 
that I had established earlier in the model to compensate for interaction and 
things got interesting.

First of all, there remains performance as before where a well defined self 
sustaining temperature is reached.  If the drive is of my original description, 
where the temperature is driven to within 90 % of the critical run away value, 
then it can be totally controlled by duty cycle of the drive mechanism.  This 
makes perfect sense since operation is below the critical region.

If the input is allowed to remain for long enough in the drive mode, the device 
temperature will reach the self sustaining trigger point.  From this point 
onward, the output heat energy increases exponentially due to the positive 
feedback that we are so familiar with until an output level is reached that 
remains stationary.  The stationary level is established at the temperature 
where the forth order radiation energy sink exactly matches the second order 
(in this model) energy release source.  Of course the drive signal is taken 
away at some point in the procedure just to demonstrate that the device 
operates in a self sustaining mode.  This effect is consistent with the real 
world ECAT as described by Rossi.

So, to design a device such as the ECAT, one needs to have a curve that defines 
the internally generated heat energy as a function of the device temperature.  
He then must establish an operating temperature such as 1000 C that is 
determined by the requirements for the unit.   At this time, the blackbody 
radiation rules will lead to a calculatible energy density being removed from 
the surface.  Next, you adjust the surface area that is to be set at 1000 C by 
working on the dimensions of the device until a match is achieved.  I believe 
that this process could be used to establish the amount of active material that 
contributes to the desired energy release.  One could adjust the inside hole 
dimensions as a method of reducing the nickel mixture until exactly the correct 
amount of material is reached.  A secondary use for the hole is to allow 
introduction of gas heating to initialize the reaction.

Please recall that my model is very speculative and an interesting exercise.  I 
do not imply that it is accurate in any way, but the correlation to the real 
world behavior of ECAT devices might have significance.

Enjoy,

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: Jojo Jaro <[email protected]>
To: vortex-l <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Aug 23, 2012 9:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:ECAT Model with Interesting Correlations


Nice model Dave.
 
Now, try it if the output temperature remains steady at 1200C as Rossi claims.  
This implies very little positive feedback.  What COP would he achieve?
 
 
Jojo
 
 
  
----- Original Message ----- 
  
From:   David   Roberson 
  
To: [email protected] 
  
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:54   AM
  
Subject: [Vo]:ECAT Model with Interesting   Correlations
  


  
I have been fiddling with one of my models of the ECAT and just wanted to   let 
the group have a peek.   Rossi has been active on his journal   and suggested 
that his device has certain characteristics which my model tends   to support.  
It should be noted that any model of Rossi's device is going   to be lacking at 
this point in time since very little reliable information is   available.
  
 
  
My objective in this case is to reveal that a relatively simple model   does in 
fact give results that are reasonably consistent with what he   claims.  Please 
realize that these results are at best speculative and   should be considered 
educational but not accurate.
  
 
  
With this disclaimer, I will proceed with the disclosure.
  
 
  
The model consists of a power drive source that supplies heat to a device   
that internally generates excess heat that is proportional to the second order  
 of the absolute temperature within.  The net heat is thus the sum of the   
drive power plus the contribution of the internally generated heating   
process.  Since the internally generated heat energy is defined as E = k   * T 
* T, very little shows up until you approach the operating region.  I   have 
experimented with various heat output functions, such as exponential,   linear 
or third order in the past.  Each of these has an interesting   behavior and I 
plan to investigate further.
  
 
  
The model I am discussing in this report behaves a great deal like   what Rossi 
mentions in his journal.  For one thing, there exists a well   defined 
temperature where the device goes into a positive feedback self   sustaining 
mode.  Unfortunately, once that happens, it is difficult to   control unless a 
form of active cooling is incorporated into the design which   quickly drains 
heat from the device.  In this model, I am assuming that   there is no such 
process available.
  
 
  
So, to keep things sane, I allow the output power to reach a peak power   that 
is 90% of the self sustaining level.  When the temperature of that   state is 
reached, the input power is reduced to zero.  At power levels   that are less 
than the self sustaining point the device immediately begins to   cool and will 
eventually cease to generate excess heat.  An interesting   note is that the 
closer one drives the unit to self sustaining, the   longer is the initial time 
constant before the heat rapidly declines.    This characteristic allows Rossi 
to push the device harder if necessary to   achieve a higher COP.
  
 
  
Now, my model allows me to reapply input power after the internal heating   has 
declined to the point that I desire.  In the real world this function   could 
be achieved by using a temperature sensor driving a control   network.  In my 
current example I find that a drive duty cycle of 41 %   seems to fit Rossi's 
description relatively well.  The average power   output of the system divided 
by the average power input required to obtain   this result is 6.028.  This 
figure is very much in line with his standard   6.0.
  
 
  
The ratio of the peak system power output to the peak power input is   
approximately 2.7.  One of Rossi's answers to a blog question states that   he 
drives the unit with a 3 to 1 ratio by my interpretation.  In the same   
context, he states that his duty cycle is 50% which is a bit higher than my   
model results.
  
 
  
In my opinion this simple model seems to add support to the description   given 
by Rossi and that is interesting.  I would expect the behavior of   the real 
ECAT to be more complex by far than the simple model that I used, but   there 
seems to be correlations.
  
 
  
So, I suggest that you guys file this report away in the reaches of your   
minds, with the understanding that there might actually be substance to what   
Rossi is telling us.
  
 
  
Dave

 

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