*…"it may be a good metaphor for energy gain in condensed matter systems – but the superatom simply cannot be involved in the Rohner scam."*
It is possible that the papp engine can work and also be used in SCAMs by both papp and J. Rohner. It would be a crime against humanity to through the baby out with the bathwater. *“**BTW - even Stirling Allan is covering his backside on this scam and apparently now believes that the “pop”effect is due to strong eddy repulsion in a hidden aluminum ring. The plastic piston does not work without the ring, and you get the same pop without or without the special gas. Clever showmanship, but not gainful.”* We all watched the demo of the old papp engine and at the end of that demo, a cylinder made out of clear plastic was shown in a demo of the noble gas reaction. The coils were not in place for that demo and the piston still moved. Just the overwhelming promise of the papp engineering approach that makes all heat producing versions of LENR obsolete makes it important to test the gain of the papp piston and to to check more generally if there is something going on inside the noble gas to produce power. *"Anyway – moving on toreal physical anomalies – in order to create the required BEC phenomenon, these researchers cooled atoms to what is essentially absolute zero, and saw the lowest temperature ever achieved.* * * * * * * *If they could have done that at higher temperature, they would have."* http://cdn.intechweb.org/pdfs/17002.pdf I posted a paper a few days ago that shows that superconductivity is possible in multi-walled carbon nanotubes at ultra high temperatures…at least 6ook. This is the type of superconactivity that has magnetic effects...the real kind. Cheers: Axil * * On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: > Before getting too worked up over the superatom, remember that it may > be a good metaphor for energy gain in condensed matter systems – but the > superatom simply cannot be involved in the Rohner scam. **** > > ** ** > > BTW - even Stirling Allan is covering his backside on this scam and > apparently now believes that the “pop” effect is due to strong eddy > repulsion in a hidden aluminum ring. The plastic piston does not work > without the ring, and you get the same pop without or without the special > gas. Clever showmanship, but not gainful.**** > > ** ** > > Anyway – moving on to real physical anomalies – in order to create the > required BEC phenomenon, these researchers cooled atoms to what is > essentially absolute zero, and saw the lowest temperature ever achieved.** > ** > > ** ** > > If they could have done it at higher temperature, they would have. **** > > ** ** > > It is also worth noting, in looking for correlates in the real world of > energy systems, that although each hydrogen atom has spin ½, when they are > a bound-pair in a Casimir cavity, they can act as a composite boson. Other > factors in quantum magnetic alignment would indicate that a bound pair of > protons is much easier to take to a “bosenova” state. IIRC, we on vortex > coined that neologism long before these guys. Check the archives.**** > > ** ** > > Having said that – it is worth mentioning again in this context - the > concept of “comperature” (introduced by F. Grimer). Comperature is a single > variable which is an amalgam of pressure and temperature at the atomic > level. These two properties should not be separated in the practical sense, > as Boyle observed many years ago – and perhaps they cannot be truly > separated at all.**** > > ** ** > > Hydrogen, which has been captured in the Casimir pores of a ferromagnetic > metal at ambient - can experience the equivalent of absolute zero by having > high effective over-voltage which is the same as extreme compression. At a > loading of 1:1 in a metal matrix, the effective pressure is well over > 10,000 bar, and the comperature would have an effective temperature > equivalent to near absolute zero, even at ambient ‘normal’ temperature. It > is not known how high the normal temperature can go to maintain Bose > statistics in the bound and aligned pair.**** > > ** ** > > Jones**** >
