On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Alain Sepeda <[email protected]> wrote:
> I don't understand and why so many people are suprised that to gain energy
> yo need to feed a little (less).
>
> It is classic for usual energy that you give energy first to settle the good
> condition of energy production.
> It is the case for wood in a barbecue... you need first to pyrolyze it, then
> heat it until it can burn... it is only if you give good thermal insulation
> (in a barbecue) that after initial lighting, it can self sustain. and
> sometime, like with "flash in the pan" it can kill the container because of
> positive feedback. In a barbecue, like in a nuclear fission reactor, there
> are negative feedback that allow control

Indeed, even the action of replenishing coal requires some energy to
move the coal into place so that the barbecue remains hot. Even a
system which violates CoE  will tap the world outside the system for
its material continuance, and therefore will never be closed system of
energy relations.

Harry


> Celani reactor is as if you were making calorimetry in a piece of wood under
> a bunzen gaz burner...
>
> about electricity, it is simply an energy very easy to control, over time
> and space...
> moreover from Celani, Defkalion and Brillouin you can notice that electric
> excitation is more efficient than thermal...
>
> it is sure that it would be nice to have a looped reactor with turbine
> feeding the input, but it seems that on one side you have researchers and
> engineers who have not yet efficient enough reactors.
> and on another side you have people having working reactors, and not wanting
> to convince anybody else their partners, before it is publicly sold.
>
> For me the only one that can do that experiment is Celani and his
> replicators, assuming he continue to be "open" when he owns the greatest
> invention since wood fire and domesticated horse.
>
> As with all industrial of the beginning of CF (Toyota, Mitsubishi...) LENR
> is cursed by it's great potential value, that push successful results to be
> hidden... Making skeptics convinced that nothing work (which leads to
> similar results- provided you eliminate the numerous not so blatant
> experimental results).
>
> vicious circle.

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