Frank, I tend to believe that the COE does have to be obeyed in these reactions. I also expect the conservation of momentum to be valid. If extra energy is introduced by some form of catalytic activity then it would still qualify as conserving the parameters if mass is reduced in the process.
My understanding of Casimir force is limited if it allows the conservation laws to be bypassed. Perhaps this is due to my being suspicious about the validity of the Papp engine operation since no one can seem to deliver a working model for independent study. I would be pleased if the Papp process were proven, but so far I am skeptical. Are you aware of any repeatable experiments that demonstrate the Casimir effect and prove that it can overcome the conservation laws? The recent fine videos by Russ do not contain any hard measurements which indicate that more energy is delivered to the piston than stored within the capacitor bank. This must be proven before I can take the Papp process seriously. I do not recall any Papp like demonstrations that use a non metallic piston cap which shows truly significant force being generated. I have seen demonstration of a few beer cans being accelerated but this does not require much net energy. The expanding gases might be capable of a small force. I am inclined to think that any reasonable piston movement is due to electric currents reacting in a repulsive manner kin to the operation of an electric motor. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Roarty, Francis X <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2012 2:35 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:The value of pulsing in bursts Dave, Good question.. can you elaborate? Are we on the same page.. are you asking if the formation of plasma and subsequent expansion of the gas obeys COE? I am of the opinion that the gas is self catalyzing in a Mills sort of fashion and the disassociations caused by catalytic action “does not” have to obey COE.. because COE ignores HUP… the random motion of gas is evidence of this energy , we have been told this energy can never be trapped [Maxwell’s’ demon]… but I don’t think this rule necessarily holds at Casimir geometry.. all the claims of anomalous heat, radioactive decay and sonoluminescence all seem to be related to this geometry be it nano powders, skeletal catalysts or meniscus geometries. VR Frank From: David Roberson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:The value of pulsing in bursts >From Axil: >We are seeing this in the Papp reaction were continuous high voltage spark >discharge is ineffective in moving the piston but high power capacitive >spark discharge moves the piston vigorously. Are you convinced that the increased piston reaction from the capacitive discharge is not just due to the amount of energy difference between the sources? I tend to believe that the current flow generates the force. The current is much larger from the capacitor bank and the net energy is also far higher. My mental model is that the device acts in the manner of an electric motor. Has there been recent videos from the experimentation? I lost my link. Dave
