The end of the particle wave closest to the horizon will be blue shifted, the opposite end is redshifted with all of the energy sucked out of it. Still traveling at the speed of light
On Thursday, December 27, 2012, David Roberson wrote: > It is difficult to grasp what you are saying in regard to the hydrogen, > but it might sink in with time as my subconscious grinds away on your > ideas. > > I have problems with that little demon guy and suspect that there is a > way to sort the hot atoms from the cold ones. I actually consider nature > having already built such a device for us in the form of radiation. Why > would the emission of IR from a energized molecule not be an example? The > effective energy of the gas system is reduced by this emission since it > only originates from the energized molecules and not the colder less > energetic ones. If the object is to take heat out of a system as the end > result then it has been achieved. > > We can capture the IR at a distant point and convert it into electricity > while the source gas has become less energized. The demon has been pushed > aside by this process since we found a way around the beast. > > I do not consider this process a violation of the COE. It might seem > problematic from a thermodynamic point of view since it involves taking > energy from just one source and not using the difference in energy between > two sources to get work. In a way, the other source is empty space which > is lower in energy. > > I have tried to get around the demon in another manner. Why not > substitute very large simulated atoms (like pool balls) for the real thing? > If the pool balls exhibit inelastic collisions and can be trapped within a > cavity of some nature, they should be a stand in for atoms. I am sure we > could find some way to separate out the fast moving pool balls by using > less energy than required to operate the separation mechanism. This seems > like a scaling issue. > > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roarty, Francis X <[email protected]> > To: vortex-l <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 1:47 pm > Subject: : Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon > > Dave, I think you have it pretty much correct but like you don’t know if > it has ever been proven other than as an extension to the small proven > dilations accumulated by satellites. I would also agree that distance is > modified but this again is due to dilation and would only be from our > perspective due to Lorentzian contraction of the spaceship as it approaches > the horizon. It should be a straightforward Pythagorean relationship > between space and time where one can not deviate without the other V^2/C^2. > I posit the hydrogen in a Casimir cavity reflects the same relationship > between itself and our macro world here on earth as we perceive between > ourselves and the spaceship nearing the horizon. This is what Jan Naudts > was saying in his 2005 paper suggesting the Mills hydrino was relativistic > hydrogen.. not in the sense Mills used regarding hydrogen being ejected by > the suns corona which is still the typical Lorentzian contraction of an > object approaching C or the gravitational equivalent of an event horizon > but rather the differential of an object experiencing a gravitational > hill/deficit relative to the macro world where from it’s perspective as > “normal” we in the macro world appear to be the dilated objects slowing > down to a near stop. I propose that changes in the “height” of a gravity > hill are the basis for catalytic action like we see in skeletal cats and > nano powders such that it is the geometry of the conductive metal that > establishes the environment in opposition to stiction… the hydrogen, like > the spaceship approaching the environment is merely reacting to the already > established environment…. This may be the power source behind all the > anomalous claims on Ni-H in contradiction to COE because COE falsely > assumes that a HUP trap [maxwellian demon is impossible] – it may be > impossible to fabricate but if nature can be induced to naturally assemble > I believe you can create heat by putting forces like Casimir stiction into > opposition with random gas motion…. It just takes a very craftily set stage > to avoid self destruction o the props. > Regards > Fran > > *From:* ChemE Stewart [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Thursday, December 27, 2012 12:38 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon > > Dave, > > I believe the mass of the ship is converted to energy (thru radiation) > as it approaches which is then converted to entropy and increases the > surface of the hole. The "information" becomes completely scattered by the > time it reaches the surface. Until you reach the surface, the black hole > is doing "work" on you we call "gravity", which is an entropic force. > > Stewart > Darkmattersalot.com > > On Thursday, December 27, 2012, David Roberson wrote: > OK, I guess that I am modifying my beliefs as we consider the implications > of this system. I think you are correct in the assumption that the mass of > the ship does not reach infinity at the horizon. If we assume that no > energy is created out of thin air then the mass of the ship must increase > significantly as it reaches the boundary. This must be true since the > velocity of the ship becomes zero at that point and all of the > gravitational energy due to the initial location of the ship at the > beginning point of its journey must be converted into mass. This could be > calculated, and it definitely is not infinity but is substantially greater > than when at rest in our vicinity. > > Again, you need to think about each observer and what they perceive. We > need to have our laws of physics to be in effect during our obs >
