Thanks, Abd ar-Rahman. Some time ago I wrote a long post on Muslims, marriage, and pre-and post Quranic practices. Jojo said he would respond later, but never did. FYI, I subsequently read that post to a well-regarded Muslim scholar and he confirmed the accuracy of the post, so I'll let my post stand.
I think memetics is the way to understand the birther/Muhammed/aliens/illuminati alternative "reality". For reasons I think you and others here will appreciate, I'd prefer not to discuss this field further, here or in any other public venue. I admire your patience, and wish I had as much of it! On Jan 2, 2013, at 6:48 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 10:40 AM 1/2/2013, de Bivort Lawrence wrote: >> Jojo, you do not understand hadith, how they are assembled, analyzed, >> evaluated, and used. Your use of the term "venerated" is revealing: the >> hadith scholars are not at all "venerated." > > Bingo! > >> What in the world are your sources for all this nonsense about Islam that >> you are spouting??? > > You can find all of this on anti-Islam web sites, often explicitly > Evangelical Christian. Mostly, Jojo just claims stuff without citing sources, > but there was an exception recently on the matter of Female Genital > Mutilation. He gave his source, an Anti-Islam web site, that cited Muslim > sources, and that directly challenged how Muslim scholars interpret the > sources. > > Jojo actually dropped this one quickly. I have no idea if it's because I > found an authoritative non-Muslim source (Lane's Lexicon), exactly on point > and confirming the Muslim scholars, or just because there isn't enough time > in the day. He's been churning this stuff out for quite a while, but he > doesn't actually research it, he's just copying ideas and stating them as > fact. > > On the birther thing, and all the claims about Obama, there is a very well > elaborated and thorough anti-birther web site, http://thefogbow.com, but > there is no single authoritative birther site. There are only masses of memes > that are passed around, repeated, and apparently believed. It's very similar > to his anti-Muslim stuff. > > There are only two other claims I recall that Jojo, beyond the FGM thing, > backed up with a source. > > The first was his claim about the age of Ayesha at consummation, where he > cited Muslim and Bukhari, seeming to believe that these, being so > "venerated," would seal the matter. The concept of context evades Jojo. He's > actually been learning something here, shown in this last post, about Islam. > He turns it into a Bad Thing, of course. Basically, realizing that all the > Muslims are not following the Venerated Sources, by the letter, which kind of > demolishes his Muslims are Evil ideas based on the Evil Sources, he then says > that Muslims are Even More Evil, because they are ... > > brace yourself ... > > ... ANARCHISTS! > > The second was his claim that Obama had issued an Executive Order that > prohibited release of his birth certificate, college records, etc. > > Jojo skims over my posts and responds with outrage at what he fantasizes, and > he apparently thought I was denying that an Executive Order existed, so he > posted the text of the whole thing. He neglected to read it, apparently, or > if he did read it, his comprehension of a U.S. Presidential Executive Order > is even worse than his comprehension of Islamic sources. The evidence, that > he provided, conclusively trounced his own claim. When this was pointed out, > his only recourse was to cry "lies." > > He is what he claims others are. One might imagine that a real Christian > would get this immediately! Even a real Evangelical Christian. Or does > "Evangelical" mean "You are all wrong!" > > I don't think so. Isn't it about the Good News? > > Jojo's original post: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg74992.html >
