The penetration of the coulomb barrier by a neutron from the outside as per
W&L does not guaranty a LENR reaction.

Many neutrons may need to be added to get some nuclear event to occur.

For example, Nickel-58 is the most abundant isotope of nickel, making up
68.077% of the natural abundance. Ni58 may require many neutrons to be
added to that nucleus before it becomes unstable. DGT says that NI58 works
for LENR .

Nickel isotopes can go up to Ni66 so we can estimate adding 8 neutrons
before some energy poor beta decay happens through beta decay. This neutron
process is not energy efficient.

The reaction could stop if a stable nickel isotope is reached like Ni64.
This loses more energy.

 Adding neutrons to Nickel from outside the coulomb barrier does not look
like an efficient LENR mechanism.







On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Harry Veeder <[email protected]> wrote:

> To use a chemical analogy Ni62 is "inert". It is not prone to change
> through fusion or fission.
> Perhaps this is the ideal context for getting other nuclei to change.
>
> harry
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Naïve metaphorical approach to Rossi's claim. Imagine a number of strong
> > springs subject to compressive loads. The strongest spring gives the
> fastest
> > return to normal geometry following compression, but it is always less
> than
> > a full 100% return.
> >
> > What is the limiting factor on how close to 100% return of energy is
> > available? Whatever that factor consists of, arguably makes the spring
> more
> > subject to catastrophic failure.
> >
> > This kind of 5th year logic explains why it is true that in Nature - the
> > nucleus with the highest binding strength is found in such low
> enrichment.
> > By all rights Ni-62 should represent more than 3.6 percent of all nickel
> > atoms since it has what appears to be the highest bonding strength. But
> > there are other factors involved.
> >
> > Anyway - most ductile metals, like nickel, are tough because the atoms
> are
> > forced together by a "sea of electrons", not to be confused with the sea
> of
> > Dirac. OTOH maybe the two should be confused. The negative charge
> > agglomeration (glue) is subject to self-limiting Coulomb forces. At the
> > limit of electron cohesive strength, we may also find a coupling to
> nuclear
> > stability - and we may also find the beginning of the next plateau of
> > "friability" (to continue the metaphor).
> >
> > Thus Ni-62 having reached the pinnacle of nuclear strength among all
> > elements, could be in a slot where it can fail catastrophically in a way
> > that is triggered by electron collapse, which forces an adjacent proton
> to
> > merge with into new nucleus. Oops, we must first make that "proton"
> become
> > bosonic - which is the DDL atom (deep Dirac layer), so as to appear
> bosonic.
> >
> >
> > Roger and out, wave function collapse, the new magic - no problemo <g>.
> >
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg72566.html
> >
> >                 _____________________________________________
> >
> >                 If Rossi's invention works - and for the reason supplied
> in
> > the application, and if one wanted to apply standard logic to "why" the
> > isotope with the highest binding energy per nucleon of all known
> nuclides is
> > responsible, then perhaps one could pose the argument that: the one with
> the
> > most - has the most to spare...
> >
> >                 To continue with a little more punagement, one could
> opine
> > this kind of logic makes it Marx...
> >
> >                 ... but is it Karl or Groucho?
> >
> >                 Reason has always existed, but not always in a reasonable
> > form.... Karl Marx
> >                 A child of five would understand this. Send someone to
> fetch
> > a child of five.... Groucho Marx
> >
> > _____________________________________________
> >
> >                                 On April 15th, an update has been made to
> > the Rossi patent application at the European Patent Office - which was
> > mentioned previously here.
> >
> >
> >
> https://register.epo.org/espacenet/application?documentId=EUIP5C400118284&nu
> > mber=EP08873805&lng=en&npl=false
> >
> >                                 As you can see, Nickel-62 is featured in
> > Claim One as the active species for the reaction, essentially making this
> > patent very specific.
> >
> >                                 The curious factoid ... or "irony" is
> that
> > Ni-62 (NOT an iron isotope) - is a singularity in a way, being the
> isotope
> > with the highest binding energy per nucleon of all known nuclides (~8.8
> MeV
> > per) and yet here it is being identified as active for the anomalous
> energy
> > Rossi claims to have found with hydrogen.
> >
> >                                 Jones
> >
> >                                 On the one hand, if there is true gain in
> > this device primarily due to properties of this isotope - being a
> > singularity could be an important clue. OTOH it is most surprising that
> the
> > physical property for which it derives its uniqueness - is the opposite
> of
> > what one logically expects in the situation.
> >
>
>

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