The role of the substrate depends on the mechanism. While all of the proposed mechanism are applied to Pd, this does not mean Pd is the only material that supports the NAE. People have used Ti, Ni, various alloys, and various oxides with success. Once the NAE can be made on purpose and in large amount, use of Pd will not be necessary. So, why keep using Pd as the example? Palladium only has historical interest because F-P chose this material. It actually is the worst choice, as many people have found. Ni apparently is a better choice, but this metal has not been explore enough to give it credibility and is surrounded by controversy thanks to Rossi. The idea that Ni only works with H and Pd only works with D is not supported by any credible understanding of the process and too few studies have been done to determine if the idea is correct or not. We need to keep an open mind and not focus only on Pd.

Ed Storms


On May 4, 2013, at 10:02 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

I wrote:

An automobile catalytic converter has very little Pd in it. The metal is exposed to a terrific flow of hot gas. Yet the Pd does not sublime or vaporize.

Plus, most of the hot gas must come in contact with the Pd particles, because it is all catalyzed (cleaned up). I assume if there was a lot unprocessed nitric oxide left over they would add more Pd.

A lot of the Pd does, gradually, erode. Or sublime, I guess you would call it.

Because Pd is expensive, I assume that the Pd is spread as thinly as possible, with the least amount of metal you can use to achieve complete catalysis. I am going out on a limb here, but I also assume that one of the limiting factors is the heat. You could not expose a much smaller sample of Pd to this much heat without it melting, or vaporizing.

Assuming this is about the best that modern technology is capable of, I figure this indicates approximately how much Pd you would need in a Pd-based cold fusion heat engine with the capacity of an automobile engine. I am assuming you have complete control over the reaction and you can make the Pd as hot as you like, up to the melting point, so the practical limit is the heat transfer capacity of the metal and substrate. As Jones Beene indicated.

- Jed


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