Frank, tungsten has a very high melting point that is lowered by
addition of any element to its structure. Tungsten forms a nitride
that melts at a much lower temperature than the metal. Why not
consider that you simply changed the melting point of the wire, which
cause a break in the circuit and a sudden relesse of electrical energy
at that location? You really need to consider the chemical reactions
that can occur with the gas.
If you want to cause CF, you need to try a method that is known to
work, not something you think might work. Lots of methods do not work.
This does not mean the phenomenon is not real. After all, many
materials are not superconductors yet superconductivity exists.
Ed Storms
On May 9, 2013, at 9:18 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
Do you see a charge in conductivity in the wire just before it
overheats?
Increase conductivity could also cause your tank circuit to increase
in frequency.
Can you measure for this?
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 10:52 PM, <fznidar...@aol.com> wrote:
I was applying RF energy 60 to 500 mega hertz to a thin tungsten
wire in ammonia at one atmosphere.
The ammonia container was very small plastic container to limit any
explosion hazard.
It was a plastic candy tube from Starbucks.
I have done this with many wires, palladium, nickel, copper,
nichrome etc.
The tungsten wire got hot and blew apart at one point.
I don't believe that is was a cold fusion reaction. I believe that
the ammonia disassociated
near the warm wire and caused some local heating.
After doing the experiment many times with hydrogen, natural gas,
propane, helium,
chlorine, the ammonia tungsten experiment reacted differently.
The tungsten wire was extracted from a retro light bulb.
I did not like the tungsten because of its high resistance. It did
not resonate in my
RF tank circuit very well, it tended to damp the RF oscillations.
I wish there was more to offer. I am beginning to doubt the results
of others as I observed nothing but this.
Not much. I could make a battery out of any two metals and a potato
for demo purposes. I could not, however, build
a high performance high tech battery. I could not demonstrate a low
performance cold fusion reaction no matter what I tried.
I am beginning to become suspect of the whole field.
Frank Z
-----Original Message-----
From: Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Thu, May 9, 2013 6:19 pm
Subject: re: [Vo]:got something
Frank,
A little more information please.. the citation is
for reaction rate over a thermal range and for different pressure
values. Are you doing an exact replication of same experiment or did
you current thru your filament? Tungsten can be melted if you
created a Langmuir torch… I do keep an eye on tungsten as a good
candidate for LENR because it’s high melting temp could allow
smaller more active final geometry if matched with an appropriate
alloy.. perhaps you found it if your melting occurred without the
electrical arcing normally required for welding :_)
Fran
http://www.lateralscience.co.uk/AtomicH/atomicH.html Invented by
Langmuir in 1926 , this device produces a temperature of 3700
degrees centigrade. Tungsten can be melted, diamond vapourised.
A jet of hydrogen gas is dissociated as it passes through an
electric arc. H2 > H + H - 422 kJ. An endothermic reaction, with the
intensely hot plasma core of the arc providing the dissociation
energy. The atomic hydrogen produced soon recombines; and this
recombination is the source of such high temperatures (easily
outperforming oxy-hydrogen: 2800oC and oxy-acetylene: 3315oC).
The hydrogen can be thought of as simply a transport mechanism to
extract energy from the arc plasma and transfer it to a work
surface. It produces a true flame, as the heat is liberated by a
chemical reaction. H + H > H2 + 422kJ. The molecular hydrogen burns
off in the atmosphere, contributing little to the heat output.
From the May 1, 1926 issue of The Science News-Letter -
"...developed by Dr. Irving Langmuir, assistant director of the
Schenectady laboratory, and makes use of what he calls flames of
atomic hydrogen.... Electric currents of 20 amperes and at voltages
ranging from 300 to 800"
From A Text Book of Inorganic Chemistry, Partington 1946 -
"Atomic hydrogen. - Langmuir (1912) has shown that hydrogen in
contact with a tungsten wire heated by an electric current at low
pressure, is dissociated into atoms:
H2 <=> 2H. This splitting of the hydrogen molecule is attended by
the absorption of a large amount of energy, about 100kcal per gram
molecule. The atomic hydrogen so formed is chemically very active.
Langmuir also showed that atomic hydrogen is formed when an electric
arc between tungsten electrodes is allowed to burn in hydrogen at
atmospheric pressure. The atomic hydrogen was blown out of the arc
by a jet of molecular hydrogen directed across the arc, and formed
an intensely hot flame, which is capable of melting tungsten (m.p.
3400oC). This flame obtains its heat not from combustion but from
the recombination of hydrogen atoms into H2. It is suitable for
melting and welding many metals. Iron can be melted without
contamination with carbon, oxygen or nitrogen. Because of the
powerful reducing action of the atomic hydrogen, alloys can be
melted without fluxes and without surface oxidation. A feature of
the flame is the great rapidity with which heat can be delivered to
a surface, which is very important in welding operations."
From: fznidar...@aol.com [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 10:01 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:got something
I tried all kinds of gasses on all sorts of filaments Got nothing
then something happened with ammonia on tungsten filaments.
http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/1980/F1/f19807600280
I will get to the bottom of what ever melted my wire.
Frank Znidarsic