I did not envision them submersing the cat into the water. More like passing water/steam through as they did in their earlier tests with a flow system. It is very difficult to measure air heating. (note, I have also been able to do flow cal with racing car brake fluid at higher temps (you can do that up to about 300C) - hence my mention of copper coils. portable spas can be had for $600.
Of course the golden standard is to have it unplugged from the wall and self sustaining for an extended time. I personally would be more accepting of a long running small wattage unit that was standalone than a kW unit plugged into the wall.----- Say a 1 Watt-er on a glass table. I wonder if Rossi's system has a critical mass or if it can be scaled down. I would think that with the proper insulation its working temperature could be maintained with a smaller sample. Crude - I would not worry about trying to convince him. He is not the gatekeeper. I think it is best to ignore some criticism and just keep moving forward. A demo is not a science experiment no matter what the critics try to make it and the standards they wish to hold it to. "Whatever course you decide upon, there is always someone to tell you that you are wrong. There are always difficulties arising which tempt you to believe that your critics are right. To map out a course of action and follow it to an end requires courage......Do not go where ever the path leads but go where there is none and leave a trail. ....Ralph Waldo Emerson D2 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe... From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 14:01:20 -0400 Dennis, I don't think it would be quite so easy for Rossi to perform the experiment that you propose. The recent tests were conducted in the open air and the thermal resistance that the ECAT works into has a very strong influence upon its operational parameters. If Rossi were to place his device into a tank of water much more heat would be conducted away from the core. This loss of internal temperature likely would prevent the positive feedback from operating properly. I suspect that he went to a lot of trouble adjusting the parameters so that the experiment would be successful in the open air instead of the typical connection methods planned. Many skeptics insist upon a simple experiment where the ECAT is naked and is easy to observe as protection against scams. He has made a great deal of effort to accommodate their wishes and they are still not satisfied. Do you honestly think that Cude and the others would not come up with some other excuses to claim that the test was not accurate if set up as you suggest? I am convinced that there is no possible way to convince them that his device is real. This should be evident to anyone following the recent non sense that has been posted by the pseudo skeptics. Why would anyone expect for their behavior to change since they are 100% convinced that LENR is bunk. In their world, some form of scam must be taking place and they are the heroes that will save us from the bad guys. Dave -----Original Message----- From: DJ Cravens <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Jun 3, 2013 1:29 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe... If the device was in the 1 to 5 kW range, then a simple hot tub should work. A typical 6 foot spa heats at about 1 degree F per hour at 1 kW. That, some copper tubing coils, and a utility pole meter should be enough. If you really wanted to be sure no extra wiring/power was going into it, perhaps a 1kW gas generator..... I personally think heating two hot tubs side by side - one with a ecat and one with a R would be a fair demo and a fairly good "proof". For smaller units (1 to 100W), perhaps heating a tea pot would be reasonable. So yes, I think it could be "done on the cheap". However, realize Rossi's purpose is not to prove the science. I don't think he is things in the best way, but the science should be done in controlled science labs- The development in a warehouse perhaps heating a pool. People who want proof and science should do their own experiments. Anything else will not be adequate for those purposes. D2 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 11:42:07 -0500 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe... I've seen it claimed by a rather emotionally committed skeptic -- with some background in conducting CF runs with calorimetry -- that an adequate 19th century technology water-bath style calorimetry of the E-Cat HT would cost "a couple hundred bucks maybe...". Obviously if this is true then the $20,000 budget for the E-Cat HT test available to Levi et al (2013) would have been more than adequate. Clearly, if this estimate is accurate then it is easy to understand why a skeptic might get emotionally committed to discounting the report: Why bother issuing such a report unless you were trying to mind-f*ck everyone? Of course, I can come up with any of a variety of plausible explanations for why this "couple hundred bucks" estimate may be way off but then I haven't actually conducted calorimetry on CF runs. So the question is "Did this skeptic get emotional because his estimate is correct or did he come up with his estimate because he was an emotional pseudo-skeptic?"
