A visual demonstration would impress the masses.
Use a real ecat and a dummy ecat with the same input power to inflate a
balloon
The real ecat will inflate the balloon faster.

Harry



On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Jed Rothwell <[email protected]> wrote:

> DJ Cravens <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Notice I did not say flow calorimetry was needed.   Just heating a
>> container of water - pool, spa, teapot....
>>
>
> I have thought about that. During the initial warm up phase you would get
> an interesting result. After that, when it reaches a steady state, you
> would maintain the entire body of water at a certain temperature for weeks.
> The body (the bath and its container) would be losing heat into the
> surroundings. It amounts to more or less the same thing they are doing now,
> with a bigger body and more thermal mass, plus evaporation and other
> complicated stuff. I do not see an advantage.
>
> A spa or a pond is not a simple thing to model.
>
>
>    You do not need to measure flow rates if the effect is significant.
>>
>
> You don't need to measure it now. You have to depend on Drs. Stefan and
> Boltzmann being right. As for convection, you just gotta look up the
> numbers in an HVAC textbook.
>
>
> It avoids all the % steam questions, the emissivity numbers, the air flow,
>> the cameras......
>>
>
> It does not avoid the steam question! On the contrary, with a body water
> you are right back to that problem, with evaporation. There are no serious
> questions about emissivity, air flow, or cameras. The emissivity can be set
> to 1 (worst case). The air flow comes out of an engineering textbook. We
> know the camera and emissivity are right because the thermocouple confirms
> them. All questions are addressed and all are closed.
>
>
> It is about the simplest measure of heat.
>>
>
> The present method is the simplest. Using a body of hot water heated to
> terminal temperature would be more complicated.
>
> The present method is not the most accurate but I doubt that a large body
> of water would be more accurate.
>
> - Jed
>
>

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