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From: [email protected] 

Jones,

I believe that most physicists would bet against the idea that
wave-function collapse, or equivalently, quantum measurements
could increase energy concentration on a macroscopic scale
- unless there is a compensatory entropy increase somewhere else.

So, it may be that some internal quantum coherence must exist, and
must be destroyed during heat release.

Lou,

Personally, I'm not sold on the physical reality of wave-function collapse
either, but if it is involved in LENR, then the "compensation" part for
explaining the source of excess energy is not difficult (with or without
Mills' theory). It could be rationalized by T-symmetry, for instance.

In fact, when you look at Hagelstein's theory for small packets of energy,
that is remarkably similar to the rationalization which would be used,
except transposed to QM (via "reversed" time). Without QM, there seems to be
no physical model for the reality of the Hagelstein violation.

IOW - Hagelstein proposes to violate CoE locally with small releases of
phonon-coupled energy - following the fusion event, instead of the expected
large release. In contrast, a fuller QM view expressed in the original post
is that medium sized releases of energy via another route (UV photons) would
*precede* (but are causative) of the nuclear event. 

Thus the nuclear even itself is NOT the same classical or thermodynamic
event, due to T-symmetry (time reversal transformation). However, a broader
CPT symmetry holds - and the same amount of mass is converted to energy in
the end, but on a different time scale.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPT_symmetry

This may add an attractive feature which is missing from Hagelstein (at
least as I understand his theory. 

Jones


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