I also recall the first radio receiver I played with.  My enjoyment came from 
attaching the input lead to different parts of my bicycle handlebar to obtain 
the loudest signal into a simple set of headphones.

I hope you were not referring to my search for system answers as being without 
purpose.   Perhaps you attached your story to my hypothesis just for 
convenience. :-)  At any rate, there are still many unanswered characteristics 
associated with LENR+ that need to be understood.  I can not pass judgement 
upon the Nanoplasmonic explanations of how an individual NAE operate and my 
hypothesis does not concern itself with this issue at all.  I am curious as to 
why LENR was not seen by earlier scientists and even now somewhat difficult to 
make happen unless good fortune smiles upon the experimenter.

Most of the theories that I have seen concentrate upon the individual reactions 
and one is left with the question as to why this did not occur in the past and 
be observed.  What could be a better explanation than one which ties a system 
wide parameter with the individual case?  I would assume that many times in 
past experiments hydrogen found itself in close association to nickel or other 
active metals.  The hydrogen purifiers seem like an ideal case in point.  Why 
did LENR not reveal itself if it is easy to get plenty of power just by raising 
the temperature?

We know now that radiation components are rare so they would not reveal the 
hidden energy source.  The other simple way to assume masking is for the actual 
level of energy released to be tiny, even in the best of circumstances without 
that extra puzzle part.  That is what I am seeking.  And, hot spots are one of 
the main observations.  This would naturally fall out if positive feedback 
comes into play to couple the individual NAE into a larger active region.  The 
energy would be released in large bursts instead of many individual tiny quanta.

How much actual evidence exists to support the idea that the energy is released 
by individual tiny reactions that are independent from other sites?  If 
temperature increases the net output then it only makes sense that mechanical 
or phonon presence would enhance the reaction rates.  After all, these factors 
can be considered localize temperature fluctuations.  Many of these motions 
would be quite large when compared to the minor random kinetic modifications 
associated with normal temperature increases.  Follow the evidence.

Dave 


-----Original Message-----
From: Axil Axil <[email protected]>
To: vortex-l <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2013 8:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR N.A.E new non-episode



The state of LENR Pd/D technology is reminiscent of the state of radio back at 
the turn of the 20th century.

At that time, a crystal radio receiver, also called a crystal set or cat's 
whisker receiver, was a very simple radio receiver, popular in the early days 
of radio. It needs no battery or power source and runs on the power received 
from radio waves by a long wire antenna. It gets its name from its most 
important component, known as a crystal detector, originally made with a piece 
of crystalline mineral such as galena. This component is now called a diode.

As a youngster, I can remember spending many frustrating hours moving the cat’s 
whisker to and fro endlessly across the face of the crystal hoping to get some 
sound from the air. It was so long ago, I do not remember if I ever succeeded.  
The pain of the search has clung to my soul as a original sin of stubbornness. 
I just remember endless frustration of constant trial and error inspired and 
confident that some other amazing people had gotten that dammed thing to work. 
If they did it, by golly I was going to do it too no matter how long it took or 
what the price paid in suffering. 

That is how LENR is. This is no science behind it, It is all trial and error.

Now LENR+. is analogous to the first vacuum tube radios. There is a degree of 
science nad methodology behind it and LENR+ works well almost every time.
If you study Nanoplasmonics, you will find parameters that can be adjusted to 
increase the power output and controllability of the reaction,
There is solid science behind the LENR+ technology developed since 1974 when 
Martin Fleischmann himself founded Nanoplasmonics.

Some people like to spend their lives endlessly dragging that cat’s whisker 
across the face of the crystal to find that magic spot…just one…if they can get 
it to work just once it will all be worth it. They must enjoy the large amount 
of pain in their stubborn search in the hope that someday they will hear some 
those small squeaks out of the headphones.

Others take the more practical road…and easier road and use science to receive 
that long sought after  signal that contains the exalted music that will lift 
mankind to the nine choirs of the heavily chorus: the Seraphim and the 
Cherubim…and all the lower orders…

Those unfortunate others need the purification of the pain of the search to 
atone for their sins of stubborn intransience.  
 
 
 
 




On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:22 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote:


Peter,


I applaud your search for the truth.  We all would like to see this field 
advance as quickly as possible since it will make an enormous difference in the 
lives of so many.


I am carefully reading your latest blog post and the comments.  Keep asking the 
right questions and eventually the correct answers will emerge.


Currently I am working upon a hypothesis that I more or less stated in my last 
post to vortex.  In this hypothesis I am seeking evidence that only the 
coordinated efforts of many individual NAE leads to measurable quantities of 
excess heat.  The process for which I seek evidence would demonstrate itself if 
the excess energy is released in localize hot spots which are formed when 
individual triggers(random NAE events), that occur with a low probability and 
strong function of temperature, couple to nearby NAE and cause them to burn.  
The coupling might be accomplished by mechanical shock waves released by the 
recoiling nuclear ash or just highly localized energy releases.   The 
instantaneous large temperature excursions within the active region would 
theoretically increase the probability of other NAE sites there reacting in 
approximate synchronization.


This process would be a form of positive feedback.  The net effect is that 
relatively minor triggers caused by improbable reactions of NAE lead to an 
overall release of energy many times that due to the raw NAE alone.  Any 
attempt to measure excess heat generated by a material that does not exhibit 
this feedback would show an energy release that is far too small to accurately 
measure in most instances.   This lack of measurable heat would theoretically 
be true even when the material is subject to temperatures of the metal melting 
point.


In effect, I am proposing that the random reaction rates of LENR materials in 
the temperature range of interest is many orders of magnitude greater than 
expected by earlier physicists estimates.  This is most likely a result of 
interactions within the metal environment which are not well understood when 
compared to plasma systems.  Even though the new hypothetical single NAE 
reaction rates are much greater than normal, I suspect that they are still too 
small to measure with precision equipment. And, the fact that no radiation 
seems to exit LENR systems further masks the observations.


A successful LENR device according to my hypothesis is one that can harbor an 
adequate density of coupled NAE available to be triggered.   It should also 
exhibit the ability to recover the depleted fuel material quickly enough to 
produce an adequate amount of power.   I also expect that the diffusion of 
heat(or phonons) from an active region will tend to limit the time that the 
coupling between NAE is effective.  The probability of additional reactions as 
a function of temperature would strongly depend upon the thermal diffusion 
rate.  This interaction would be complex, but hopefully can be engineered to 
meet system requirements.  Obtaining metal particles of the ideal size would 
potentially be an excellent way to control the reaction.  Enough NAE can be 
formed within these to enhance the positive feedback required to generate the 
heat.  A further advantage of these rough spheres might be that they should 
exhibit sonic resonances of relatively high "Q".  Both of these factors would 
contribute to the positive feedback gain which would translate into useful 
amounts of thermal power.


A system of this nature would be expected to exhibit a threshold effect.  Even 
though the local single NAE would increase in reaction rate as the temperature 
increases, the amount of power being generated would be extremely tiny until 
and unless positive feedback is exhibited.  Only then would adequate heat be 
released to be useful and detected.  The design goal is to achieve adequate NAE 
density within many active regions, develop a controlled method of coupling 
between these NAE, and to generate a structure that captures the heat or phonon 
energy for a long enough time to allow them to react.


Dave




-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Gluck <[email protected]>



Dear Friends,


LENR NAEology is controversial science but a very necessary emergent
technology. Therefore I have published the third paper in the NAE series:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/08/continuing-to-crack-crack-is-nae-theory.html

My partner and opponent in this discussion is colleague Abd.
Peter


































-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com








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