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----- Reply message ----- From: "Axil Axil" <[email protected]> To: "vortex-l" <[email protected]> Subject: [Vo]:What the heck is LENR+, anyway? Date: Thu, Aug 22, 2013 11:10 pm Wow, Jed Rothwell has awakened from a quarter century of slumber. The Sleeper Has Finally Awakened. While you were asleep, Rossi has told us what he was doing all along, all we had to do is listen…yes with concentration and purpose but he has revealed all to those who would listen with attention and to take heed. Piece by piece, clue by clue it was all revealed in little bits and pieces. LENR does not use micro and nanoparticles and LENR+ does. That is what Rossi first taught us, he told us to use small particles but not too small and he even gave us the right size. He told us to cover the micro particles with nanowire. There is also high pressure hydrogen involved. He told us to use a catalyst that was activated through heating in the hot hydrogen. And most importantly, he gave us faith that the thing he built would work. I told you before that you never had this faith and you never will have it. Without that faith, you will never invest in the work to look for the answers. You are chained to the past by the ghosts of pons and fleischmann, and by the production of helium in a cold fusion. I tried my best to teach you the rules behind it all but you just don’t get it. I feel sorry for you and the others …for what you are missing… your shoes nailed to the floor by LENR… because LENR+ is a thing of complex beauty that you will never know. On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:43 PM, Jed Rothwell <[email protected]> wrote: There has been a lot of blather here along these lines: That is how LENR is. This is no science behind it, It is all trial and error. Now LENR+. is analogous to the first vacuum tube radios. There is a degree of science nad methodology behind it and LENR+ works well almost every time. Okay, so what is the difference between LENR and LENR+? Is LENR with Pd-D, and LENR+ Ni-H? Why don't you just call it that? Most people who tried to make Ni-H work got nothing. No heat, no results. So I do not understand why anyone claims "it works well every time." Maybe it works for Rossi, but he is not telling anyone else how to do it, is he? So we should not call this LENR+. We should call it "whatever Rossi is doing, assuming his results are what he and Levi et al. claim they are." That's not a generally applicable statement about any branch of LENR. It is a statement about Rossi. There was a time when Patterson had very promising results too, with high power density. Unfortunately, he did not tell anyone how to do it, and he took the secret to the grave. Rossi might do the same thing. Until he teaches, perhaps with a patent that is replicated, his discovery is not a new form of LENR in the broad sense of the word. It is a trade secret that at present no one else has any clue how to achieve. It may be that Defkalion has also achieved highly reliable Ni-H cold fusion. I wouldn't know; they have not published any data. The demonstration looked promising but it is not proof. To get proof, you have to have an independent team go on and wring the thing out for weeks. It takes weeks because you often encounter the kinds of problems that Levi et al. had, with the cell melting and so on. Plus the team may need to improve the instruments a couple of times, the way Levi did. - Jed
